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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
I am quite familiar with allegiance, jurisdiction and the arguments over the 14th amendment. It says nothing about Natural Born Citizen either. By omission it is excluded. If you commit a crime in Mexico you will be tired in Mexico even though you have no allegiance to Mexico....

If NBC meant born in the USA of alien parents then they would not have needed the 14th amendment, your argument is circular.

While you are reading your oldies but goodies, find the part that says the bill of rights does not pertain to aliens....

....In any event, the fact that someone is a natural born citizen pursuant to a statute does not necessarily imply that he or she is such a citizen for Constitutional purposes. ...

....Nobody said it did. That excerpt applies to a child born abroad to U.S. citizen parents. If we get one of those running for president, we should probably have the discussion about whether they're eligible for the presidency. Oh wait, we did and we (sorta) did.....

That excerpt applies to anyone.

151 posted on 10/25/2011 4:05:40 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: rolling_stone
I am quite familiar with allegiance, jurisdiction and the arguments over the 14th amendment. It says nothing about Natural Born Citizen either.

Seriously? You've already forgotten what your expert wrote: "Prior to this time the subject of citizenship by birth was generally held to be regulated by the common law, by which all persons born within the limits and allegiance of the United States were deemed to be natural-born citizens thereof"? I just posted that this morning, and now you're claiming that what "allegiance" means has nothing to do with Natural Born Citizen?

That excerpt applies to anyone.

First of all, if it doesn't imply they're a natural born citizen for Constitutional purposes, it certainly doesn't imply they're not. Second, it applies to someone who's a "natural born citizen pursuant to a statute." People who are natural born citizens because they're born here are not NBCs pursuant to a statute. The 1866 civil rights act and the 14th Amendment didn't make up anything new, they were just "declaratory of the common law" (in the words of your expert). And remember what the common law said? (Hint: it's in my last paragraph.)

152 posted on 10/25/2011 5:56:54 PM PDT by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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