Posted on 10/15/2011 11:34:22 AM PDT by Absolutely Nobama
How much difference is there, really, between the far-Left, the far-Right, and overt white supremacists? How do the public stances of Michael Moore, Pat Buchanan, and David Duke compare? Proponents of both extreme views now think and sound so much alike, they sound like soulmates. Somehow these fringe characters have moved so far around the edges that they have arrived at the same territory, spouting identical positions in copycat rhetoric on such issues as Iraq, the broader War on Terror, and the Jewish state of Israel.
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Also you gotta be non-Jewish. Plenty of white Jews from northern Europe.
An American is not denoted by being a member of a certain ethnic group, but by adherence to the ideals exemplied in the Declaration of Independence and the constitution.
Absolutely!
Conversely, a white natural-born citizen of northern European ancestry who doesn't adhere to these principles isn't a "real American."
Buchanan being a good example. Tom Sowell and Clarence Thomas are much better Americans than he is.
Justice Thomas and Thomas Sowell are two of the most brilliant minds in American history.
Pat Pukechanan will NOT be remembered by history at all.
No the liberals of today are not Fabian socialists. Oh, maybe a few are, but they are just the uninformed dupes. Most of the liberals of today are actually communists, that refer to themselves as progressives. The Fabian socialists went out with Trotsky. The Fabian style liberals are basically just harmless dupes.
I actually had an ancestor who lived in one of those Fabian style communes that were built in the US. I think it was in Tennessee. He was lucky because being one of the earliest settlers at the commune, he was given the job of post master. So when the commune failed, he still had a job.
So, while the left and right might have shifted leftward in the US, especially since we never had a true aristocracy, the shift in Europe was less dramatic. Conservatives or the European right were still for maintenance of the aristocracy, not just the status quo. No one can say that the Nazis wanted a return to the aristocracy.
As a matter of fact, what the Nazis wanted was complete control of the banks and they, like many of the Occupy Wall Street people, identified the Jews with the banks and the Jews were a very handy community organizing tool.
I can. In fact, that was the basis of their entire ideology.
The Aryans in general, and the Germans in particular, were to constitute a racial aristocracy over the rest of humanity.
You are quite correct that they weren't in favor of a return to power of the decayed German princes and aristocrats. Though, interestingly, an unusually high percentage of those princes and aristocrats were enthusiastic Nazis.
They were useful to Hitler, but Hitler despised them, and once the Jews were done away with, they were next on his list.
Probably the only thing I ever agree with Molly Ivins about was when she made the crack about a member of Buchanan’s family dying during WWII when he fell out of a concentration camp guard tower. I remember Buchanan’s hideous speech at the 1992 Republican convention. That speech cost the Pubbies a lot of votes. I’m glad he’s out of the Republican Party, and I’m only sorry other people give him a thoroughly undeserved voice on their radio programs.
What makes neo-Nazis far right if Nazis were never on the right to begin with?
NO, they weren’t. The European aristocracy was a hereditary aristocracy. Sure, you had your occasional usurper, but those also wanted a hereditary aristocracy, just a different line.
No one can say that the Germans wanted to return to a hereditary aristocracy. What the Germans wanted was very similar to what the leftists in this country want, an elite governing group that regulates and orders every aspect of society. The Germans used nationalism as their unifying factor. The anti-Jewish campaign wasn’t exactly racial, since Jews are not a race. It was anti-Jewish, but it was also anti-socialist (Fabian style socialism) because the socialists were opposed to the statist element of the Nazis. The European socialists were still the old style that believed in communal ownership and self rule. The Nazis were fascist statists.
“My problem with Buchanan is my feeling, echoed by Buchanan in some of his public speeches, is that if you’re not white and from northern Europe, you’re not a real American.”
A fun way to annoy Patricia’s few remaining followers is to remind them that most folks of “northern European” descent can’t trace their family back to the Founding (not that it matters) while most Americans of African descent can. (Truthfully, that doesn’t matter either.)
I don’t care where your family’s from nor do I care about the color of your skin. I only care if believe in our country’s Founding Principles, the Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution. (In other words, if you’re an ignorant lib-—Look out!)
I’m not saying that everyone should sit around and sing Kumbaya. I’m saying everyone should sit around and sing “God Bless America”. I don’t believe in multiculturalism, I believe in everyone becoming Americans. I don’t think ANY culture is equal to American culture.
I now step off of my soap box.
Well said.
I’m sorry, but I don’t get the point that you are trying to make.
Thank you.
I was agreeing with you that the Nazis weren’t “far right”.
Oh, ok, I am so used to posters disagreeing with me that I was looking for the point of disagreement and didn’t find it.
Thanks for the support.
That’s why I put “far-Right” in quotes.
No problemmo!
Your obsession with Ron Paul is getting unhealthy. I mean, you couldn’t find anything better to do on a Saturday night than bitch on the Internet about him?
If my “obsession” to protect the Tea Party and the Republican party from the lunacy that is Ron Paul is “unhealthy”, so be it.
I will NOT compromise. I will NOT retreat. I will NOT surrender. I will NOT stop until Ron Paul loses in the Republican primary. When he becomes a non-essential footnote in American history, I’ll let it go.
I've noticed that you're one of the more civil anti-Paul debaters on this site, and it is appreciated.
It is good to know that folks like you and I who argue so hard now will hopefully work together to crush Obama next November! Have a good rest of the weekend.
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