Posted on 09/28/2011 7:18:22 PM PDT by Kevmo
NASA Advances Evaluation of Piantelli’s LENR Research
Posted on September 28, 2011 by Steven B. Krivit Multiple sources have confirmed to New Energy Times that a team comprising NASA engineers and an investment group from the U.S. is expanding its interest in the low-energy nuclear reaction research of Italian biophysicist Francesco Piantelli. A meeting with the group and representatives of Piantelli will take place in the next few days.
According to Dennis Bushnell, chief scientist at NASA’s Langley Research Center in Hampton, Virginia, NASA was working months ago on experiments based on Piantelli’s research.
Piantelli’s work with LENR goes back two decades and includes two dozen scientific publications and conference presentations. Piantelli and his colleagues’ only significant challenge came from a group at CERN, the European Laboratory for Particle Physics, but Piantelli’s group published an effective rebuttal.
The Piantelli group’s nickel-hydrogen LENR work remains the most promising demonstration of LENR technology. New Energy Times wrote two feature articles on Piantelli’s work in 2008. We also wrote a summary of the work in the Wiley and Sons Nuclear Energy Encyclopedia, excerpted as follows:
************************************ Whereas electrolytic D/Pd experiments have typically produced scientifically meaningful levels of excess heat, such effects were generally observed only in the milliwatt range. The Piantelli group’s Ni-H gas experiments produced excess heat in the tens of watts.
The researchers explain that an anomalous heating effect in the Ni-H cell takes place “when a cell containing a nickel rod is maintained at temperatures above a critical value and is filled with gaseous hydrogen at subatmospheric pressures.” The critical value is obtained by a heater in the cell that provides constant input power to initially raise and keep the cell temperature at its working value, about 700K. When the heat production rises above the equilibrium condition, the authors identify this as the excited state. Because the experiment can run in the excited state for months a time, the researchers were also able to observe sporadic evidence of both neutrons and gamma rays, which are generally hard to detect in LENR systems because those experiment run for much shorter periods.
Whereas excess-heat-producing electrolytic D/Pd experiments typically ran for days before the electrode corroded or the researcher stopped replenishing electrolyte, the Piantelli group’s hydrogen gas experiments ran continuously in a stable state for months at a time. In November 1998, the group reported two experiments in Il Nuovo Cimento.
Cell “A” produced 38.9 +/-1.5 watts of heat, and cell “B” produced 23.0 +/-1.3 watts of heat. The cells produced excess power continuously at a slowly increasing rate during that period: cell “A” for 278 days; cell “B” for 319 days. The integrated excess energy was 900 MJ for cell “A” and 600 MJ for cell “B.” ************************************
New Energy Times has published a bibliography of papers (and download links where available) from the Piantelli group here. The list includes Piantelli’s patent applications. Among other things, the Piantelli work requires very specific surface preparation performed under an ultra-high vacuum.
A few related events happened in September.
On Sept. 2, Samantha McRoskey, an analyst with Diligence Global Business Intelligence, representing an anonymous investor, contacted New Energy Times to learn more about Ni-H LENR research. We directed her to our published reports and analysis.
On Sept. 5 and 6, a team comprising representatives from an investment group and NASA visited Andrea Rossi’s showroom in Bologna. The team went there with an explicit agreement about test parameters and opportunities to observe and evaluate Rossi’s claims. They did not observe any positive results.
On Sept. 22, NASA conducted a LENR Innovation Forum workshop at Glenn Research Center in Cleveland, Ohio. Speakers included NASA scientists Joseph Zawodny, Gustave Fralick, Michael Nelson, Jim Dunn and Dennis Bushnell and retired University of Illinois professor George Miley.
At the meeting, Bushnell said that LENR has a strong potential for a new source of energy. He was optimistic about nickel powder LENR solutions.
“The temperature you can get out of [LENR] is interesting,” Bushnell said. “We’ve had to be careful [in our research in] terms of the energetics. I don’t think there is a power [limitation] problem.
“I think the problem now is of raw courage to look into something that is new. We’ve been fortunate to have a center director at Langley that has the courage to support us to do this. We’ve been at it for three or four years.
“The U.S. efforts on this, for reasons I don’t understand, haven’t gone to the Widom-Larsen theory. They also haven’t gone to try to understand the 18 years of hydrogen-nickel [work] with really superb intellectual content. We need to get off of the Pons-Fleischmann electrochemistry and get into flow systems.”
FLAP FLAP----"SQUAWK" "SQUAWK"----{SPLAT}.
"Kevmo" said zip about Rossi delivering in October. Rossi did, repeatedly, and he still says so. And we've not even STARTED the month of October. So it's just a bit early to be passing judgment.
Dude... put.... down... the ... bong.
October 31 isn’t even here yet.
If you’re so convinced it’s a fraud, take my money.
Oct 31st, times up
then you admit you jumped the gun here? Just like you jumped the shark earlier.
Besides, I don’t necessarily think the time’s up on Oct 31. I think the time is up in Nov 2012, so that Obama doesn’t take credit for this disruptive technology.
It is Kevmo who I am calling out. Rossi was a known fraud for the last 10 years.
Kevmo, said if Rossi didn’t deliver he would call Rossi a fraud too.
I am waiting.
LOL
WTF are you talking about?
Again:
Put... down... the... bong.
Remember, what I asked you previously....what is it going to take for you to admit this is fraud?
You said, wait till October, at that point you were going to either have all of Rossi’s claims proven or you would declare him a fraud yourself.
I am Still waiting.
I said, I bet that you will not accept that this is a fraud no matter what Rossi does and you would just keep going an going. You told me I was wrong... that all I had to do is wait for October then the truth would be revealed.
I won the bet, you won’t stop believing this fraudster, no matter what... he can keep you strung along for the next 100 years. It doesn’t matter.
And I am calling YOU out. Your fabrications are beginning to irritate me, and I pointed out WHY they are fabrications in my post. Rossi has, thus far, delivered on every point he has said he was going to on the E-Cat. Sometimes that delivery has been delayed, mostly not. You see fraud, I don't. But until the end of October, I suggest you sit down and shut up on this particular argument, because it is BS.
It STILL is not yet October. Stop squawking and splatting.
No he hasn’t
Go ask the US Army that was promised new high tech thermocouples....
Look at the forums, there are countless examples where failure has been explained away again and again. Even websites were changed after the fact.
Look at the empty field that is supposed to be Rossi’s factory in the US. I have previously posted pictures of the empty lots along with their business applications.
Explained away by deleting it off the website and telling everyone it was defunct and going to be in someone’s secret facility rather than their own. Now the same corporation they said is defunct is now being used to manufacture the “secret box”.
The problem is, people believe so much that they are willing to accept these explanations.
People don’t want to admit they were conned.
There are holes all over the place that don’t require you to be a scientist to see. Any minor investigation of his claims for all the US based activities can be checked on line.
October is tomorrow and you guys are already hedging your bets because Rossi is falling apart.
I haven’t changed, he is still a fraud and I predicted that he would pull something like this and he has.
I nailed it.
Did you actually READ the final report of the project?? I did. No evidence of fraud there. My company has done a number of contract projects for the DOD, some stuff worked, some didn't. The reports for the stuff that didn't work looked pretty much like the one for Rossi's work.
"Look at the forums, there are countless examples where failure has been explained away again and again. Even websites were changed after the fact."
So, post some proof. "I" haven't seen any of that, and I would certainly expect it to show up on the Vortex-L list, which I follow reasonably regularly.
"Look at the empty field that is supposed to be Rossi’s factory in the US. I have previously posted pictures of the empty lots along with their business applications."
Maybe you're as incompetent at finding addresses as you are in understanding what "in October" means.
"Explained away by deleting it off the website and telling everyone it was defunct and going to be in someone’s secret facility rather than their own. Now the same corporation they said is defunct is now being used to manufacture the “secret box”.
Well, a lot of hardware is certainly being put together "somewhere".
"The problem is, people believe so much that they are willing to accept these explanations."
I "believe" based on data. Not innuendo.
"People don’t want to admit they were conned."
First, there has to be proof of a "con".
"There are holes all over the place that don’t require you to be a scientist to see. Any minor investigation of his claims for all the US based activities can be checked on line."
SQUAWK---*SPLAT*
Anybody with even a few functioning brains cells would realize that Kevmo was referring to the end of October. Rossi has been consistent with that date for a VERY long time.
"I haven’t changed, he is still a fraud and I predicted that he would pull something like this and he has."
Pull something like what?? Saying his 1MW plant would be demonstrated in late October, and, given the evidence thus far, is on schedule to do precisely that.
"I nailed it."
The only thing you've "nailed" was your thumb, when you hit it with the hammer.
Did you read your post I replied to?
You said it wasn’t October, now you are arguing with yourself.
This ends at the end of this month, clearly Kevmo indicated he would be proven right and all the doubters wrong in October.
That is clearly not happening.....as I knew it wouldn’t.
Rossi, is that you?
lol
The lab that had his research in it mysteriously caught on fire.
Rossi claimed his secret sauce was lost in the fire,,,,,,,,,if you want to say that he couldn’t be convicted, that is one thing, saying that there isn’t any evidence of fraud makes you a liar.
Remember, what I asked you previously....what is it going to take for you to admit this is fraud?
***Why don’t you just take my money? Then you can loudly proclaim fraud while I try to find some valid explanation.
I said, I bet that ...
***but you have not laid down such a bet. So you do not have bragging rights.
October is tomorrow...
***You’re a bit over-eager, or is that jumping the gun? Or jumping the shark?
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510&cpage=7#comments
Andrea Rossi
September 9th, 2011 at 11:27 AM
Dear Mahler:
the test of the 1 MW pklant will be made on the last week of October.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
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***I wonder if the average freeper would understand that as a tagline?
Dude... you really seem overwrought. Why don’t you just take my money?
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