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The Truth Found a Voice in Rick Perry
September 23, 2011 | Vanity

Posted on 09/23/2011 6:54:44 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: goat granny

I’m not into mannerisms, facial expressions or body language. I shouldn’t be because I’m not schooled in them. I’m simply in to a strong leader with a commanding presence, who’s for America and has the experience and will to get us through our problems. So far, I’m unimpressed with the team we have. Herman Cain comes closest to what I want, but I’m still not completely sold.


241 posted on 09/23/2011 4:53:34 PM PDT by bcsco
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To: bcsco
For me also Cain is so far the one I would vote for in the primary and presidential election....had no opinion on Perry until last night, don't like Romney, he also puts me off with his presents. I would like to see and hear more from Cain. I said in another thread that he seems to be the only one I'd like to sit down with, talk and have a cup of coffee...It wouldn't be boring and he has a sincere way about him....its still a long way off...
242 posted on 09/23/2011 5:02:55 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: kabar
Fences are force multipliers.

Who gets the Rio Grande river? The USA or Mexico? Or do you run the fence down the middle of the river?

243 posted on 09/23/2011 6:13:26 PM PDT by listenhillary (Look your representatives in the eye and ask if they intend to pay off the debt. They will look away)
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To: Kartographer
there are a large majority of illegals who are here and don’t give a damn about the United States, there don’t wish to share out culture, our history and they could care less about anything American. They are here because their on country is corrupt to the point that the people have few freedoms and little or no chance to better themselves especially economically.

Those sentences don't work together. If they are here to better themselves because their own countries are corrupt hellholes they are going to give a damn about the US.

But let's recognize that a lot of these illegals have no character and are here to milk the cow without contributing either by criminal activity or by freeloading off of social services.

Let's agree this group should be weeded out and expelled. Why would you think kids who have graduated from an American high school and are going to college and paying for college -- remember they are not getting scholarships but are simply being given the state residential rate -- fall into this category?

244 posted on 09/23/2011 6:19:37 PM PDT by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: muawiyah
The whole place is a lesson in why you must have ORDERLY entry on the part of any would be group of immigrants;

Or that you don't have to put up with bad dictators.

But you are right. An open border is a very bad idea.

If you are looking for an historical example, rather than Texas, look up the Germanic tribes crossing of the Rhine in 406 AD which led to the fall of Rome.

245 posted on 09/23/2011 6:30:29 PM PDT by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: Tribune7
Those invasions led to the RESUSCITATION of ROME, not it's extinction. That happened later in 535 AD and seems to have been a particularly nasty volcanic eruption, a comet, or just some seriously bad weather for up to 7 years!

Texas is not going to be saved with this invasion.

246 posted on 09/23/2011 6:36:26 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Heartless
247 posted on 09/23/2011 6:38:04 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ('Truth is the first object.' -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Tribune7
You get instate you get a $24,000 per year scholarship equivalent in Texas.

Here's the deal, federal law says that you cannot give preference to illegals ~ or even legal residence for any purpose.

Perry and the Texas legislature are perfectly willing to violate federal immigration law where it serves to discourage illegal immigrants.

Pretty obvious how this is going to end ~ it will take armed force ~ probably first against Texas elements, and then Mexican elements.

248 posted on 09/23/2011 6:41:00 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
That happened later in 535 AD

Rome fell in 476.

249 posted on 09/23/2011 6:42:42 PM PDT by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: muawiyah

Texas residents pay $50 per credit hour. It’s a nice rate but it’s not a scholarship.


250 posted on 09/23/2011 6:46:45 PM PDT by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: Tribune7
ROME was not gutted and utterly destroyed (although it seems to have been subjected to 1 or more organized sackings), and most of its population didn't die. The capital city was moved to Ravenna.

The Roman Senate continued to sit throughout the period of the Fall of Rome, so we might well refer to this as the Fall of the Western Roman Empire and the return of the Etruscan Roman Kingdom (with a probable German as King over Italy and FYR).

The Eastern Roman Empire didn't fall. Beginning in 535, though, everybody had some serious problems with a total economic collapse North of the Mediterranean, and some serious population drops in a variety of places.

251 posted on 09/23/2011 6:52:37 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Tribune7
What you have to do on this tuition debate is give us a URL where you get your numbers from, and we want to see the FULL RATE and the INSTATE RATE, and we want to see it for 2011/20012.

$50 is for what and where and which schools and what's your URL.

252 posted on 09/23/2011 6:55:07 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
The traditional date for the fall of Rome was Sept. 4, 476 when Odoacer deposed the Emperor Romulus Augustus and declared himself king of Italy.

You can argue there was still an Eastern Roman Empire. You can point out that a part of France (The Domain of Soissons) remained Roman for another decade. You can note that Eastern Romans actually managed to recapture Rome in 540.

But, really, in 476 it was over.

253 posted on 09/23/2011 7:05:51 PM PDT by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: Tribune7
"IT" meaning Rome, wasn't over until the early 1400s when Constantinople fell to the Turks and the noble classes fled.

There used to be this theory that vast numbers of barbarians overran the place. Subsequent archaeological research revealed "IT" continued to putt along until 535 ~ that's the year even China turned to poop.

254 posted on 09/23/2011 7:09:40 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
$50 is for what and where and which schools and what's your URL.

What, you don't trust me? :-)

The $50 is the statutory in-state tuition rate. There is another designated tuition rate on top of it. An kid who entered illegally but grew up in Texas and graduated from a Texas high school would have to pay that too.

255 posted on 09/23/2011 7:14:48 PM PDT by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: muawiyah
Subsequent archaeological research revealed "IT" continued to putt along until 535

Where are you getting this from??

256 posted on 09/23/2011 7:16:06 PM PDT by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: Tribune7
Read history ~ keep up on archaeological discoveries.

As long as there was a single government over the Italian peninsula, that was ROME.

They didn't turn into a Dark Ages wasteland until the Dark Ages started in what appears to have been the Spring of the year 535 AD.

Earlier writers confounded four events ~ the arrival of German usurpers, the move to Ravenna, the arrival of the Dark Ages, a minor sacking of Rome.

257 posted on 09/23/2011 7:25:53 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Tribune7

http://www.utexas.edu/tuition/costs.html ~ the nursing program there costs a new non resident student $1,114 per credit hour! A resident is charged $324 per credit hour.


258 posted on 09/23/2011 7:36:40 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
A resident is charged $324 per credit hour.

That makes sense.

259 posted on 09/23/2011 7:50:15 PM PDT by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: Tribune7
There is a 20% state subsidy behind that particular tuition charge. Then there's a subsidy from dividends from oil wells, and federal grants, and.... sunk costs in real estate provided for the university's program, and private bequests, and the state lottery!

Unstated is that the out of state tuition rate charges far more than the university costs to operate the programs ~ which means that SOME OF THE IN STATE students are actually subsidized by OUT OF STATE students ~ to wit, someone from New York attending University of Texas would be paying tuition to subsidize an illegal alien!

Many supporters imagine the in-state rates pays all the universities expenses ~ which it doesn't. Taxpayers make up some of the difference. Federal taxpayers make up some of it. Other state programs suffer as a consequence of this subsidy so widows and orphans have food taken from their mouths so that an illegal alien gets a doctorate somewhere in Texas.

It's an elitist sophistry that this hurts no one ~ when, in fact, it places a heavy penalty on the poor, the destitute, those yearning to be free of oppressive taxation and the evils attendant to poverty.

Better the state charge everyone the top end tuition than to continue hurting the helpless!

It's pretty obvious to me that Perry and his running dog lackeys have no heart!

260 posted on 09/23/2011 7:58:14 PM PDT by muawiyah
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