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To: SoJoCo
In Minor v. Happersett the question before the court was not whether Virginia Minor was a natural born citizen or an naturalized citizen or native born or whatever other category you choose to create.

Sorry, but the syllabus of the decision and the decision itself acknowledged that her citizenship was PART of a key part of the decision.

1. The word "citizen" is often used to convey the idea of membership in a nation.

2. In that sense, women, of born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction of the United States, have always been considered citizens of the United States, as much so before the adoption of the fourteenth amendment to the Constitution as since.

Do you see this?? Women born of citizen parents have always been considered citizens as much before the 14th amendment as SINCE. This means the court is recognizing natural born citizenship without regard to the 14th amendment. Here's more, but from the opinion of the court this time:

The argument is, that as a woman, born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, is a citizen of the United States and of the State in which she resides, she has the right of suffrage ...

The part underlined is from the 14th amendment. In case there's any doubt, the court goes on to say this amendment was NOT needed.

There is no doubt that women may be citizens. They are persons, and by the fourteenth amendment "all persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" are expressly declared to be "citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." But, in our opinion, it did not need this amendment to give them that position.

The question before the court was whether V. Minor was a 14th amendment citizen who therefore had a presumed right of suffrage as one the immunities and privileges of citizens. The court rejected her 14th amendment claim specifically because she fell under their definition of natural born citizen (as is shown from the syllabus).

The fourteenth amendment did not affect the citizenship of women any more than it did of men. In this particular, therefore, the rights of Mrs. Minor do not depend upon the amendment. She has always been a citizen from her birth, and entitled to all the privileges and immunities of citizenship. The amendment prohibited the State, of which she is a citizen, from abridging any of her privileges and immunities as a citizen of the United States; but it did not confer citizenship on her.

504 posted on 09/21/2011 2:21:14 PM PDT by edge919
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To: edge919
Sorry, but the syllabus of the decision and the decision itself acknowledged that her citizenship was PART of a key part of the decision.

But not the type of citizenship. Virginia Minor was not saying that only natural born citizens could have voting rights, and the state of Missouri did not deny her the right to vote because she had been naturalized. The Missouri court ruled that voting was not an automatic right of citizenship of any type, and that the state had the right to limit that franchise to male citizens only if they chose to do so. The court ruled on that alone, and what constituted natural born - or in the case of Virginia Minor 'native born' - was never a question before the court.

The doctrine of stare decisis says that judges should be bound by prior court decisions. Since the definition of natural born citizen was not a matter for the court to decide in the Minor case then any comments made on that subject were made in dicta and are not binding.

509 posted on 09/21/2011 2:57:59 PM PDT by SoJoCo
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