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To: P-Marlowe
Agree with everything you said except this:

If the parents have submitted themselves to the jurisdiction of the United States either by seeking permananet residency or Naturalized Citizenship, then their children will be natural born citizens.

I think that is too restrictive. If someone is here legally, even temporarily, I think that fits within the definition of the 14th, though I personally don't think that is good national policy. And certainly, if at least one of the parents is a citizen or permanent resident, the child is subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. as well, regardless of the status of the other parent.

If this comes before a court, I am convinced that every court that hears it will agree with my reasoning and NONE will agree with yours.

9-0 if it makes it to the Supreme Court. Which it won't anyway because Courts of Appeal will all agree so there will be no need to accept cert.

425 posted on 09/21/2011 8:31:37 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin; xzins; Mr Rogers; P-Marlowe; betty boop; Alamo-Girl
If someone is here legally, even temporarily, I think that fits within the definition of the 14th,

That was not the intent of the drafters of the 14th Amendment. It was directed primarily at slaves who though not Citizens, were subjects. The 14th Amendment made all children who were subjects of the United States at the time of their birth Citizens. Visitors who are on Visas from foreign countries, or invaders (as in illegal aliens) are not subjects of the United States, but are subjects of the country of their origin. Becoming a subject of the United States requires an intent to stay permanently and to subject yourself to the sole jurisdiction of the United States.

I do not believe that anchor babies are legitimately Natural Born Citizens or even Native Born Citizens (if there is still a distinction after the 14th Amendment) because their parents are not legitimately subjects of the United States and are legally, in all sense of the term, subjects of the country of their origin.

What Natural Born Citizenship is intended to convey is a singular loyalty and anyone possessing dual citizenship at the time of birth is not a Natural Born Citizen of the United States unless the parents are Citizens, which would make the child born on American soil solely an American Citizen at the time of birth.

So I vehemently disagree with your analysis of the effect of the 14th Amendment. You have to go back to the original intent of the drafters of the 14th Amendment and if you do, you must conclude that the children of visitors and invaders were never intended to be granted Natural Born Status.

432 posted on 09/21/2011 9:19:28 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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