Posted on 09/20/2011 8:28:54 AM PDT by Ordinary_American
Flirting with the Vattle Birthers is affecting your reading comprehension skills. Read what I said again as I tried to help you out with some more information. Citizenship of her parents. Two citizen parent stuff. NOT citizenship in general, because that was the whole point of the case, whether citizenship for women automatically included voting rights after the 14th amendment thingy.
That is too funny! LOL!
Now I understand where you are coming from. You work at a comedy club? Right? Do you vote, and are you a citizen? Just curious.
Oh, I am sorry. Now I think I understand your point.
The Case is not specificaly about NBC.
I found a way that Republicans can win every presidential election going forward, by allowing, even promoting foreign citizens to run. We can split the vote in California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas by running Anchor babies in those states, on a third party ticket. It would be akin to operation chaos in 2008, but in the General election. Democrats would lose 104 electoral votes. Almost a quarter of the electoral college.
This would now be a legal strategy. We just pick a Handsome Mexican working at some car-wash, and give him the dream job of running for president and a nice suit and tie.
Oh, poor little old me, I just must have a case of the vapors!!! While I faint and pass out, maybe you can read the case for me and reference where the court talks about Virginia Minor’s parents. What are their names, for example, Fred and Wilma maybe??? Where they are from, too. While you are at it, maybe you can also find where the judges say that the ONLY way to be a natural born citizen is to have two citizen parents??? Wake me up when you figure it out. OK???
Meanwhile, back to my fainting divan.
Imagine a Mexican, speaking Spanish and running a Mexican campaign in California. He would take California out of play. He could drive up from Mexico with a BC from San Diego, and he's in. He's a legitimate NBC. Democrats can't disqualify him after insisting Obama is qualified.
If we can't win California, why should we allow Democrats to win it with Mexican votes? Let's run a Mexican third party!
Yes, they indicate she is a Natural-Born, by default, see my post at 693.
We run Rubio, but he sounds to American, and will not get the illegal and or Mexican vote in California. We run a Mexican National third party in California.
Winning is all that counts at this point in the game. We will probably be governed by many different foreign citizens in the future, so we may as well play ball. So lets play Hard ball and throw a brush back fast ball, right at their heads!
Foreigners for president is a legal strategy after 2008. Let embrace it and stick it to them!!!
I read that before, which is why I sent you the extra information. But what you are deducing is there, that they must have verified her parents, does not seem to be there. What is there, is that she was called native born. Sooo, even by the illogical methods of the Vattle Birthers, natural born and native come out being the same thing to the judges.
Can you post the quote where they say she is Native Born? I’m looking and cant find it.
I agree with you that the NBC stuff is a losing battle. The law stuff just doesn’t read that way. Maybe the law should be changed, or maybe not. That is a matter of opinion and I can see it both ways. But, you could do the same thing you have figured out by just adding Rubio or another Hispanic-American to the ticket. That is why all the misinformation needs to stop.
This NBC thing is crazy. I know I have lost the battle. We have a British born Subject running the United states, who was also born with Kenyan citizenship and then took on Indonesian citizenship. The Big Document is toast.
What do you think about my Mexican Strategy? We have lost California anyway, so lets let a Mexican National take it in the General Election. I’m dead serious. Let’s play the game per the new rules.
Well, at least if a Mexican runs you have somebody is going to be Catholic and conservative. They won’t belong to some commie church like Obama and have friends like that bomber person whoever. Plus, I bet it will be a long,long time before America votes for another person who is half-Kenyan to be president.
If we don't play by the new rules we are setting ourselves up for failure. We need to run a real Mexican citizen in the next election. Rubio is not going to cut it. We need someone with authentic Mexican credentials and an American BC. Not a Cuban. As VP, he could be Anti American. It wouldn't matter. He gets the votes Obama would get.
A Balkanizing strategy needs to be played right. A Cuban wont cut it California.
All kidding aside, it is amazing that we now have a court case that clearly defines NBC, and makes its ruling on that class of citizen. We now know for certain that Federal law disqualifies Obama, and this case establishes this fact. Democrats may refuse to comply with it, and Others may argue against it, but it is law on the books in a clear and unanimous decision. This case ends the debate by defining NBC, declaring her an NBC, and refusing to qualify citizens born to foreign citizens as NBC. This is a good thing for the country.
In this state of things, on the 15th of October, 1872 (one of the days fixed by law for the registration of voters), Mrs. Virginia Minor, a native born, free, white citizen of the United States, and of the State of Missouri, over the age of twenty-one years, wishing to vote for electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, and for a representative in Congress, and for other officers, at the general election held in November, 1872, applied to one Happersett, the registrar of voters, to register her as a lawful voter, which he refused to do, assigning for cause that she was not a "male citizen of the United States," but a woman.
The other problem for the apologists is that Minor specifically tied its definition of natural-born citizen and the class of citizens born to citizen parents DIRECTLY to Art. II, Sec. I in the paragraph that precedes where the definition is given:
Additions might always be made to the citizenship of the United States in two ways: first, by birth, and second, by naturalization. This is apparent from the Constitution itself, for it provides [n6] that "no person except a natural-born citizen, or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of the Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President," [n7] and that Congress shall have power "to establish a uniform rule of naturalization." Thus new citizens may be born or they may be created by naturalization.
The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their [p168] parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts. It is sufficient for everything we have now to consider that all children born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction are themselves citizens. The words "all children" are certainly as comprehensive, when used in this connection, as "all persons," and if females are included in the last they must be in the first. That they are included in the last is not denied. In fact the whole argument of the plaintiffs proceeds upon that idea.
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