Posted on 09/20/2011 8:28:54 AM PDT by Ordinary_American
kake = make. .....can’t type worth a crap anymore
But why was that? Who made it all about the certificate and forestalled what should always have been a dual inquiry. For crying out loud he admitted in his book that his father was a foreign national. That should have at least opened the door to a full treatment of parents citizenship & eligibility.
Instead the entire issue was single tracked to the birth certificate which amazingly has been allowed to remain unanswered. It’s unbelievable that a president can be allowed to to get away with that, much less with sealing all of his records and the press and the majority of the country ( and a lot of freepers) could care less.
You beat me to the point while I was formatting my post. People who make up complete BS about Supreme Court decisions must not be aware that there’s this new thing called the “Internet”.
US law should always be based upon and a reflection of Natural Law.
You are completely wrong about this. Do some research and look at the historical record.
No, it's because they are VERY ignorant.
You just need to take off your blindfold and learn some History.
Wrong. The court indeed defined "natural-born citizen" using a near-verbatim definition as used by Vattel in Law of Nations. Read it. Learn it. Understand it. Below I underlined the key phrases from both definitions to show how closely they align.
From Minor: At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.
From Vattel: The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.
The court used this definition because it rejected Virginia Minor's argument of being a 14th amendment citizen.
We overthrew English law in something called the "War of American Independence." The American law which replaced it was mostly based on the blueprint provided by Vattel.
What is the difference between natural-born and native-born?
One is either born a citizen or one must be naturalized.
Ah, but since the Cable Act, the categories of "born" citizens were divided in two. "Natural born" and "Split Allegiance."
Prior to that, All persons were either born to two citizen parents, or two foreign citizens. There was no "in-between" category. The Cable act created one.
Congress did that with the Cable act. Learn what you are talking about!
This should be ringing alarms in the heads of **all** freedom loving citizens. Where is the rule of law?
Yes, there is usurper in the White House, and he will likely be voted out...BUT...Where are the men and women of principle and courage to defend the rule of law?
Without the rule of law we are in **serious** danger as a nation. If it isn't Obama and his Marxist minions that crushes freedom under his heel, without the rule of law it absolutely will be someone else.
The Cable act cannot change the Constitution.
The Constitution only contemplated two subdivisions of US citizenry - those who are citizens through the natural act of being born and those that must be naturalized.
Jackson was exempt from the natural born citizen requirement by Article II. Learn what you are talking about!
Please check again. If you are referring to the 14th Ammendment you will find that it addresses “Native born” not “Natural born”. Marco Rubio is a native born citizen. He is no eligible to be VP or POTUS. He will be a good senator and would make an excellent Gov of Fla. or a cabinet member.
someone a few months ago made a compelling argument that Rubio would be qualified based on the fact that he was born in the USA, and his parents were from CUBA an American protectorate who later becamse citizens of the USA.
I don’t know how you could disqualify him, when the imposter in chief currently was born to a father who was not an American citizen ever.
Case closed.
The SC needs to settle this once and for all.
Would LOVE to see the liberal nutjobs raise this issue about Vice President Rubio... not only can he easily turn it around and say that Hussein is not eligible, and they can do dueling birth certificates, but also, they would most likely anger Hispanic voters, and it would be construed as racist, but we expect that from the left.
Furthermore, I read somewhere that Rubio has an “in”....at the time of his birth, his parents were allowed some type of duel citizenship with Cuba and the US.....is this true? I wasn’t sure, but it sounded logical at the time.
FWIW, I disagree Old Retired Army Guy. Marco Rubio is a native born citizen, but not a natural born citizen, owing to the fact that both his parents were Cuban citizens at the time of his birth.
We need to recall that the Fourteenth Amendment was one of the post-Civil War amendments specifically targeted to ensure the "equal protection" of newly freed slaves who were deemed to be citizens of the United States. Many slave families had been in America for generations; thus their children were "natural born" here. The "native born" issue wasn't even material in most of these cases.
How we get from the Fourteenth Amendment's very narrow, targeted purpose — the equal protection under law of former slaves — to an expansive recognition of the citizenship of anybody whatsoever who manages to be born of foreign, non-citizen parents on American soil is a mystery to me.
FWIW.
I'm not thrilled about this, because I admire Marco Rubio enormously — I would love for him to be eligible for office. But he's in the same situation as Bobby Jindal (born on U.S.. soil of parents who were citizens of India at the time of his birth) — and I'm a great admirer of his, too.
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