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Rick Perry: Is His Real Problem Insincerity?
MarkAmerica.com ^ | 30 August, 2011 | MarkAmerica

Posted on 08/31/2011 7:32:11 AM PDT by el_texicano

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To: drbuzzard

OK fine.

He supported the 10th amendment then changed his mind and supported a federal amendment which would override the 10th amendment.

zero moral courage.


21 posted on 08/31/2011 7:48:44 AM PDT by cripplecreek (The GOP has been "moderated" into a coma.)
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To: el_texicano

Who is “Mark America” and why do I care what he thinks?

I don’t find his analysis compelling.


22 posted on 08/31/2011 7:49:38 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: cripplecreek

23 posted on 08/31/2011 7:51:27 AM PDT by Tempest (Google: Rick perry bi-national healthcare)
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To: Tempest

That’s about the size of it.


24 posted on 08/31/2011 7:52:51 AM PDT by cripplecreek (The GOP has been "moderated" into a coma.)
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To: el_texicano

I think the article reads waaaaay too much into the letter. It does not say that Perry supports what the task force ultimately decided to propose. It merely says that the idea of reforming health care is laudable. A lot of people agree with that (although admittedly I’m not one of them).

IMO the real point of the letter starts in the second paragraph: a request that special attention be paid to farmers and rural areas.

I have my doubts Perry initiated this by himself. That said, he is responsible for what goes out under his signature. But this does not convince me that he is insincere. Every politician has written letters like this one.


25 posted on 08/31/2011 7:55:31 AM PDT by freespirited (Stupid people are ruining America. --Herman Cain)
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To: cripplecreek
His support of gay marriage in NY

He did not voice support of gay marriage. He voiced support for the 10th amendment.

Perry signs anti-gay marriage pledge
http://www.boston.com/Boston/politicalintelligence/2011/08/perry-signs-anti-gay-marriage-pledge/sGqX6Ir6FL4HZwyOQSzvKN/index.html

Texas Governor Rick Perry is the latest Republican presidential candidate to sign a pledge against gay marriage. The pledge confirms Perry’s reversal of an earlier statement he made that he would leave the definition of marriage up to the states.

The pledge, put out by the National Organization for Marriage, has become a standard commitment among this year’s GOP contenders. Minnesota Congresswoman Michele Bachmann, former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney, and former Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum have also signed the pledge. Former Utah Governor Jon Huntsman is not signing any pledges.

The pledge commits a candidate to support a federal constitutional amendment defining marriage as between one man and one woman, defend the Defense of Marriage Act in court, appoint judicial nominees and an attorney general who would reject a constitutional right to gay marriage, establish a commission to investigate harassment of anti-gay marriage donors or organizers, and let the people of Washington, D.C., vote on gay marriage.

Perry has long opposed gay marriage. But he said in July, after New York legalized gay marriage, that he supports states’ rights and would not object if individual states implemented gay marriage. He told an audience in Colorado, “That’s New York, and that’s their business, and that’s fine with me.”

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What he supports is the constitution. And he would amend the constitution to ban gay marriage. But today, the constitution does not reference that subject so he supports the 10th amendment that leaves that up to the individual states.

26 posted on 08/31/2011 7:56:47 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: el_texicano

What a bunch of BS. Reagan was once a Democrat. Perry was AG Commissioner when he wrote Hillary and had no idea what was in her Health Care plans. He just asked her to consider needs of Farmers and Ranchers. Perry must have a lot of people worried, because they are coming out of the woodwork attacking him.


27 posted on 08/31/2011 7:57:42 AM PDT by Old Retired Army Guy
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To: thackney

Yeah I get it, St Rick supports states rights except for when he doesn’t.


28 posted on 08/31/2011 7:58:42 AM PDT by cripplecreek (The GOP has been "moderated" into a coma.)
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To: el_texicano
Writing a letter such as this, we know he was not a conservative in 1993. Did the elections eighteen months later convince him?

It took him 5 paragraphs to get to this, which is the fatal flaw in his argument. The letter does NOT indicate a lack of conservative thought. The letter is a boilerplate letter from a state government official to a federal official, with the prefunctory well-wishes followed by a stern statement of what that panel needs to do to get support from the state.

"We are so happy to see you tackle the difficult problem of XXX. When you are doing so, we hope you will remember not to screw over our constituents, to take our needs into account, and not make a mess of things. Again, thank you for what we are sure will be your thoughtful consideration to reach an outcome that is good for us all".

I write these letters to my democrat senators and representatives all the time. It is what gets your letters read past the 1st sentence.

Perry's letter NEVER says a good word about "Hillarycare"; it was written before her health panel started writing the plan, and was an attempt to shape the plan.

That is the job of a public official, writing official letters in support of the people of Texas.

29 posted on 08/31/2011 7:59:14 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: el_texicano

Perry’s main problem is the haters who have to cut him down for made-up reasons and ulterior motives. I think he has some flaws, too wedded to government and international power brokers (e.g. Khan). But no real show stoppers IMO.


30 posted on 08/31/2011 7:59:53 AM PDT by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: cripplecreek

All you have to do is watch him. He oozes insincerity. He gives me the creeps. Exactly like Romney.


31 posted on 08/31/2011 8:01:19 AM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (Days .... Weeks ..... Months .....)
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To: thackney

There are more than a few conservatives who only respect the constitution to the point where it interferes with their world-view. I had a drag-out argument a couple of nights ago with someone who believed the 1st amendment shouldn’t stop the federal government from banning the worship of islam and closing all the mosques, because the government should be able to define Islam as “not a religion”. Worse, for my defense of the 1st amendment I was called a muslim sympathiser, and told I was defending Sharia law.


32 posted on 08/31/2011 8:02:50 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: el_texicano

Someone else gave you the supporting link, so why should he have to?


33 posted on 08/31/2011 8:03:33 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Forgotten Amendments

He and Romney are working together.

Pat Sullivan is Perry’s former chief of staff and current communications director. Pat Sullivan’s wife Leslie is Mitt Romney’s chief fundraiser in Texas.


34 posted on 08/31/2011 8:04:23 AM PDT by cripplecreek (The GOP has been "moderated" into a coma.)
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To: el_texicano

Perry needs a little vetting. We don’t need another Republican for party’s sake. The only thing that is going to rescue this country from the abyss is conservatism and smaller government.


35 posted on 08/31/2011 8:04:40 AM PDT by pallis
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To: el_texicano
I'm confused about the following. Is it saying he was a republican but changed to democrat to run for Ag Comm? And then he changed back to republican? Or was he a republican Ag Comm in favor of HillaryCare?

Hillary Clinton’s healthcare plan of 1993. In a letter to Mrs. Clinton, then Agriculture Commissioner expressed support for the ill-fated overhaul plan. Many are inclined to ignore this because in addition to being an eighteen year old letter, everybody knows Rick Perry had been a Democrat before becoming a Republican, so the thinking is that this should present no problem. Unfortunately, Rick Perry had already changed parties in order to run for the post as Agriculture Commissioner, the post in which he served at the time of the letter.

36 posted on 08/31/2011 8:04:40 AM PDT by DejaJude (Obama - in over his head and above his pay grade.)
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To: el_texicano
Regardless of some dimwits here, Perry will be closest to a next Regan. Perry for President. Judging by the crap posted, some of afraid Perry might upset your liberal agenda.
37 posted on 08/31/2011 8:05:05 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: el_texicano

There is a strong, very left element in Texas politics. You can see that in recent history by the Richards governorship. Moreover, the R legislators in Austin have on the whole, been less conservative than Perry. You can see that in the Bush governorship.

Overall, Perry has been steering the state in a generally conservative direction despite some powerful elements in the legislature. He isn’t nearly as weak as you seem to think, nor as perfect as some cheerleaders pretend.

Taken on balance, Perry would be a strong candidate (no one here doubts his campaigning skills), and at worst a pretty good President (e.g. he would probably make very good SCOTUS nominations).

I still prefer Bachmann, but I’m not going help Mittens by sliming Perry, Palin, or any other reasonably conservative candidate.


38 posted on 08/31/2011 8:05:27 AM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: cripplecreek

He wants to follow the constitution. If we want a federal gay marriage ban, an amendment is the way to do it.


39 posted on 08/31/2011 8:05:59 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: el_texicano

There is a strong, very left element in Texas politics. You can see that in recent history by the Richards governorship. Moreover, the R legislators in Austin have on the whole, been less conservative than Perry. You can see that in the Bush governorship.

Overall, Perry has been steering the state in a generally conservative direction despite some powerful elements in the legislature. He isn’t nearly as weak as you seem to think, nor as perfect as some cheerleaders pretend.

Taken on balance, Perry would be a strong candidate (no one here doubts his campaigning skills), and at worst a pretty good President (e.g. he would probably make very good SCOTUS nominations).

I still prefer Bachmann, but I’m not going help Mittens by sliming Perry, Palin, or any other reasonably conservative candidate.


40 posted on 08/31/2011 8:06:20 AM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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