Posted on 08/16/2011 8:11:46 AM PDT by SoConPubbie
And, IMHO, if a wall is required to prevent unwanted individuals from coming across the southern border, then a wall is also necessary across the northern border.
We have far less of a problem from Canada. And Canadians don't believe that they have a right to settle the US as repayment for stealing Oregon, as Mexicans are taught to believe about the Texas War of Independence and Mexican-American war.
I find it difficult to fathom what is being suggested would in any way have been acceptable to our Founding Fathers.
Only because you know nothing of the actual positions of the Founding Fathers.
And just for the record, I do not accept that the situation in Mexico is forever hopeless. Ideas? How about the people here in the U.S. who use drugs, stop. If there is not a market here, there is no reason for drugs to be coming across the border. How about the U.S. working with the Mexican government - those who really care about that country - to provide incentives for them to develop their own resources, creating jobs for their people?
I like it. Let's seal the border and help them. Good fences make good neighbors.
What ARE you talking about? You show up on a thread 5 days later and make erroneous comments that are nowhere even close to the topic at hand.
My post was directed at SoCon. It was an attack on him, not Rick Perry. And if you knew the circumstances, you (hopefully) would not have embarrassed yourself with your uninformed attack.
“Illegal aliens in Texas get free elementary, middle and high school and many free meal plans.”
That is a federal mandate. It’s not unique to Texas. The same is true for emergency medical care, so instead of going to a local clinic, where to illegals go? To the ER, of course. Another big-hearted Congressional mandate with extraordinarily bad consequences, especially to border states.
There’s something very wrong when local/state schools can deny admission or charge tuition to American students in the next town or state, but those same schools are mandated to provide the same service to children of illegal aliens as they do to locals.
Respectfully dude, you don’t read much do you? Perhaps re-reading my post and trying to envision how a wall across a country’s border could be misused by that country’s government years from now might help you out.
Just as your state passed a mandatory health care bill when it only had 7% uninsured rate in a much smaller, less transient population, the story is different in Texas. Since we are a Border State, we have more families coming here illegally.
The Feds have prohibited us from even noticing, much less deporting these families when they have children in our schools. The kids end up with no documentation showing citizenship in either Nation and believe they are Americans.
There’s a significant number of these young people who stay out of trouble, graduate from high school after at least the last 3 years in Texas schools and who are eligible for and admitted to college. (US citizens only have to live in Texas for one year to be eligible for resident tuition.)
It’s a lot like the Mosaic law on liability for digging a hole and not covering it (Exodus 21:33) The feds have dug us a hole with these kids.
I may be crazy, but I am not totally agains a limited amnesty. We have 20 million or so illegals in this country, I doubt anyone has the courage or the tenacity to drive them all out.
Tose that stay and can qualify with certain rules, let’s say. No background of criminal activity ordrunk ddriving charges for a start-—should be given citizenship, a Social Security card andforced to pay taxs’ and Social Security like the rest of us.
However we have had amnesty’s before and they always lead to other amnesty’s because our borders remain open.
Before any amnesty goes through we have to close the borders and prove we can keep them closed to illegals.
Otherwise we will be making citizens of the next 20 million in a few more years. I see no act that convinces me that we have any intention of closing the borders to illegals, In fact I believe we are encouraging their invasion.
As long as this is happening there should be no amnsty and no freebies.
An open border means poverty has given way to opportunity, and Mexico’s citizens do not feel compelled to cross the border to find that opportunity.
It means we have addressed pollution concerns, made substantial progress in stopping the spread of disease, and rid our crossings of illicit drug smuggling activity. Clearly we have a long way to go in addressing those issues.
What's wrong with Perry's vision of an open border with Mexico?
What difference is there with his "vision of an open border with Mexico" and what we currently have with Canada?
Your opinion is worth nothing because it is based on the fact that you only read half a sentence or half a paragraph so it based on half information.
You're playing with half a deck!
I think your reasoning is what has formed Governor Perry’s focus on border control.
If illegals are entering the country, all the efforts to send them back or catch them at work are too little, too late.
Reading comprehension is your friend.
That sentence is compound. The first part is modified by the second part, which begins, “as long as . . .”
We already have a moat, for pity’s sake. What we need is more “boots on the ground” and/or those towers (airconditioned, please), not a wall.
Our Texas border is 1200 miles of river, that winds back and forth. The current efforts to build a fence cut off farmland from the owners, some homes from the rest of the US, and livestock and irrigation from working farms and ranches.
You CANNOT..in 2012...run ANY political campaign that is ambiguous about your immigration “position” in the current job market.
Unemployed Americans are looking for assurances of their governments’ concern about THEIR plight...not that of businesses forced into looking for disposable labor because of onerous tax and regulatory policy.
Illegal Labor is the Feds out for preserving the status quo regarding Taxes and Regulation...and is the ultimate litmus test as to the candidates in question commitment to meaningful regulatory and tax reform. If they are wishy-washy on the subject...they have no real intent to disturb the DC status quo...no matter how big their cowboy hat and six-gun.
The price for lack of closing the borders will far outweigh the “excuses” for not Closing the Border. If Texas wants more towers then go ahead and build them....nobody’s stopping them.
As for more “boots on the ground”.....when Perry gets serious about closing the border then fine...bring in our guys. Until he is I do not want to see our guys in Harms way by a Governor who will not close the border so that they can clean out the sewer.
Whatever border deals have been made for farmers and such were made by them and agreed upon knowing fully well the borders have and will remain an issue.....this is not the first time fences have been disgussed.....so whatever is cut off they positioned themselves knowing in advance that could be so.....CLOSE THE BORDER..and clean up the sewer there!
Which is just my point...as long as Perry is inviting foreigners to his state...and building his industrial empire on the border...he will not close the border....he wants his cake and eat it too at the expense of national security.....
Furthermore though politicians "talk" about the border issues...they will never close it.....the Cnandian, USA, Mexico trading block which Obama has signed onto will prevent that....and in time the corridor will indeed go thru for that.
As Michelle Obama said...they will bring the people along even if they have to be dragged kicking and screaming.
I will continue to oppose open borders...period.
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