Bull. The electoral college results were certified by Congress. That's a judgement by the legislative branch that Obama is a legitimate presdient. George Bush peacefully handed over power to him without protest. That's a confirming judgement by the executive branch. Finally, Justice Roberts swore him in without objection. That's a confirming judgement by the judicial branch.
And if that's not enough, several lower Federal courts rejected birther arguments ONE THE MERITS. Yes, on the merits. Birthers love to say their cases were thrown out based on technicalities, but that's not true of all of them. There were a couple in which the judge specifically ruled that birther arugments were nonsense.
So we have all the three branches of a dully-elected, civilian goverment unanimously judging that Obama is a legitimate president.
The military, not being elected, and not representing the people, has no authority to object. Unlike what goes on in bananna republics, the military is not a branch of government in our system, neither de jure nor de facto.
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It does seem as if some have more animus toward their fellow conservatives than toward Obama. I don’t get that, especially on a conservative site. It’s weird, but then Obama, the beneficiary of much of their conservative-directed ridicule, is weird also.
I may be somewhat unique on eligibility threads. I’m not here because I am an expert researcher and up to date on all the details of Obama’s secretive past. I’m here because I am an expert on Malignant Narcissism. Obama embodies that personality disorder as if he were the prototype. Nobody who is familiar with that particular sociopathy can fail to recognize it in Obama. His words and actions scream it day in and day out; all you have to do is watch and listen, and the truth is unavoidable.
Now here is something to think about. Malignant Narcissists do not just lie. They ARE a lie. Their identity is a lie. Their self-constructed history is a lie. Everything about them is a lie. Furthermore, the biggest lies of all concern their childhood. It was there that the personality disorder began, and it happened precisely because the child could not accept, cope with or survive—emotionally and psychologically intact, anyway—their environment as it existed. So they opted out of reality and constructed a fantasy world where black was white and up was down and they were everything the real world said they weren’t. The worst part being, they believe the fantasy world is real and the real world isn’t. It is a very extreme and serious disorder.
The upshot being, while you can’t believe anything a MN says, he is most unreliable of all when speaking of his childhood. Thus it is quite legitimate to assume that ninety to ninety-five percent, conservatively speaking, of what Obama says about his childhood is false.
So where does that leave us? Trying desperately to find the truth and being blocked at every path because the truth would destroy Obama’s identity and carefully crafted image/history.
It also leaves us being ridiculed by many on this site. How that is supposed to be a net-plus for FR I do not know. But that’s the situation, fwiw.
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It’s easy to tell who’s been around a Malignant Narcissist, and/or studied the disorder, isn’t it? All anybody has to be is familiar with it, and you can spot it in Obama from a mile away.
Yet there are people who believe anything he says. There are even some who believe all or any part of Dreams. Obama himself admitted it’s not factual. It’s fully of ‘composites’ and other crap meant to protect him from the charge that he misrepresented the facts.
All of which makes sense, because every ‘fact’ in the book that can be tested against known facts has turned out to be fundamentally misrepresented. Which leaves only the parts of the book that can’t be fact-checked. So some people will acknowledge problems with the checkable parts, yet explain them away as no big deal while accepting as fact everything that can’t be checked. Yet ‘birthers’ are supposed to be the crazy ones?
It’s as if you have two stacks of bills from the same source. One stack you’re allowed to test but the other is off limits. Every bill from the first stack turns out, upon testing, to be counterfeit. So you make the assumption, based on that, that every bill in the second stack is NOT counterfeit.
But again, it’s the ‘birthers’ who are nuts.
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There is little doubt in my mind that most of the research cited by the Obama defenders on this website, originates on Fogbow or Obamaconspiracy.
I have argued this issue on many websites, and the only places I encounter such detailed and in-depth researched rebuttals are on Obamaconspiracy and Here. (I don’t bother with Fogbow, or Obamaconspiracy anymore for that matter.)
It is axiomatic to me that the only people who feel strongly enough about this issue to go through the dull and boring trudge work of finding passages in ancient documents to support their position are Dedicated Liberal Democrat Obots, and those members of the Republican establishment that share common cause with them. (Which is what I suspect we are dealing with here.)
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Post of the day, and it’s not even 10 a.m. here. Thank you for putting into words what I have thought but have never expressed so well. There is something positively creepy about the depths and lengths and breadths to which Obots will go to defend the marxist. No conservative would take that much time to prop up this fraud and pathological liar, ditto Independents and moderates. Ninety-nine percent of Dems either don’t care or else blindly buy whatever Obama is selling.
That leaves a tiny sliver of Obamaphiles who have devoted countless hours to marshaling obscure, Byzantine, legalistic, light-weight, mind-numbingly repetitious ‘arguments’ to bolster The Won’s fraud-riddled birth narrative. They think we can’t figure them out. They think we are ignorant rubes. Perhaps there is just a little projection involved in their thought processes.
No, it is evidence of a lack of due dilligence. Nancy Pelosi "Certified" him as meeting the eligibility requirements without ever having checked. That anyone took her word seriously just proves they were fools.
George Bush peacefully handed over power to him without protest. That's a confirming judgement by the executive branch. Finally, Justice Roberts swore him in without objection. That's a confirming judgement by the judicial branch.
The fact that an enemy makes it through the first gate, and the guards of the second gate regards this as evidence that he isn't an enemy and so therefore open the second gate, does not change the fact that the guards of the first gate didn't do their jobs properly in the first place! And you still have an ENEMY inside the gates!
You refer to a cascade of acceptance as proof of legitimacy when the fact is NOBODY has LOOKED AT IT! From the beginning, the word of serial liar Nancy Pelosi was accepted as proof when it was not.
And if that's not enough, several lower Federal courts rejected birther arguments ONE THE MERITS. Yes, on the merits. Birthers love to say their cases were thrown out based on technicalities, but that's not true of all of them. There were a couple in which the judge specifically ruled that birther arugments were nonsense.
Their rulings are refuted by the fact that the arguments are not nonsense. This proves that those judges are ignorant, and that is all it proves. There has been NO WEIGHING of evidence in any court. PERIOD. Your side would quake in it's boots were there ever to be an actual weighing of the evidence.
So we have all the three branches of a dully-elected, civilian goverment unanimously judging that Obama is a legitimate president.
Acquiescence is only a judgment after the facts are weighed. They have not been weighed. Till they are weighed, its still an open question.
The military, not being elected, and not representing the people, has no authority to object. Unlike what goes on in bananna republics, the military is not a branch of government in our system, neither de jure nor de facto.
You may keep telling yourself that fiction, but in all of human history, the military IS the force of government. It is fortunate for us that we train them to follow our laws, rather than our leaders. You would have it otherwise.