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To: DiogenesLamp
To paraphrase Abraham Lincoln regarding his actions vis a vis the Dred Scott Decision, " I swore to uphold the constitution as *I* understand it, not as Chief Justice Tanney Understands it."

He was talking about his perogatives as president. He wasn't talking about individual officers in the military, nor even individual citizens.

As president Lincoln was in charge of a civilian branch of government that is co-equal to the Supreme Court, which arguablely gives him the authority to challange the court's interpretation of the constitution. No one in the military has such authority, as the military is not the coequal of any branch of civilian government, but its servant.

"The Congress, the Executive, and the Court must, each for itself, be guided by its own opinion of the Constitution."

Notice that Jackson does not mention the military, but only the civilian branches of government. There is a reason for that.

And to blindly accept the pronouncements of our leaders without regard for the consequences is the road to something worse. Fascism.

LOL. This is too funny. You're the who believes the military can impose its interpretation of the constitution on the civilian branches of government, and you're calling me fascist?

Do you even know what fascism is? I'll give you a hint. In fascist countries, the military is usually not subserviant to civlian government, but rather the opposite, as you would seem to favor.

231 posted on 08/15/2011 3:08:12 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: curiosity
He was talking about his perogatives as president. He wasn't talking about individual officers in the military, nor even individual citizens.

He was talking about not accepting what other people say, but understanding it for yourself, and by the way, when he said it, he wasn't yet President. (Speech at Springfield, June 26, 1857)

Notice that Jackson does not mention the military, but only the civilian branches of government. There is a reason for that.

I guess you missed that second part where he said:

"Each public officer who takes an oath to support the Constitution swears that he will support it as he understands it and not as it is understood by others."

LOL. This is too funny. You're the who believes the military can impose its interpretation of the constitution on the civilian branches of government, and you're calling me fascist?

I am the one that believes the Military has an obligation to Defend our Constitution as they swore, and one of the requirements of this should be to make Damned certain that they are following a legitimate commander. Requiring him to Produce his paperwork is not optional in the performance of this duty.

Do you even know what fascism is? I'll give you a hint. In fascist countries, the military is usually not subserviant to civlian government, but rather the opposite, as you would seem to favor.

Yes, they just blindly follow orders without question, the way you advocate. Fascism is indicated by an unholy and far too intimate relationship between government and Business, accompanied by the production of political propaganda and the use of "brown shirts" to quell dissent. In other words, something very similar to what we have been seeing a lot of recently.

240 posted on 08/15/2011 3:42:09 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Obama was always illegitimate. In both senses of the term.)
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