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To: CharlesWayneCT
Nobody is going to win an argument that you can’t be president if someone lost your original birth certificate.

Ahhhh! A BC is not simply a record. It has supporting documents that allow it's issuance. There are none. No hospital birth record. No evidence of SAD's residence when she had the baby. No one who will state simply that they were there. Why? Because the whole story of his birth is conjured. Made out of whole cloth. Why? Because he was not born in HI.

He probably was not born in Kenya. Because of the logistics and presence of SAD in Seattle shortly after his birth, I am inclined to believe he was born in Canada. No proof, but circumstantial evidence.

Most troubling, all 3 branches of government know. Why no action on this obvious "post turtle"? The fix was in. Who did this? That is the question.

14 posted on 07/22/2011 9:18:25 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Texas Fossil

Here’s the problem: the Federal Rules of Evidence (Rule 902) say that a birth certificate is a self-authenticating document as long as it contains a state seal, and the signature of an authorizing individual.
Article IV, Section 1 of the US Constitution (the “full faith and credit” clause) says that whatever the state of Hawaii says is valid proof of birth will be accepted in other states and by the federal government.

The state of Hawaii says that what it issued to Obama meets the requirements of Rule 902 and the Fourth Article of the Constitution.

Here’s what the state of Hawaii is saying:
“The Hawai’i State Health Department recently complied with a request by President Barack Obama for certified copies of his original Certificate of Live Birth, which is sometimes referred to in the media as a ‘long form’ birth certificate.

‘We hope that issuing certified copies of the original Certificate of Live Birth to President Obama will end the numerous inquiries related to his birth in Hawai’i,’ Hawai’i Health Director Loretta Fuddy said. ‘I have seen the original records filed at the Department of Health and attest to the authenticity of the certified copies the department provided to the President that further prove the fact that he was born in Hawai’i.’

On April 22, 2011, President Obama sent a letter to Director Fuddy, requesting two certified copies of his original Certificate of Live Birth. Also on that day, Judith Corley, the President’s personal attorney, made the same request in writing on behalf of the President.

On April 25, 2011, pursuant to President Obama’s request, Director Fuddy personally witnessed the copying of the original Certificate of Live Birth and attested to the authenticity of the two copies. Dr. Alvin Onaka, the State Registrar, certified the copies.”
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/News_Release_Birth_Certificate_042711.pdf


16 posted on 07/22/2011 11:11:17 AM PDT by jh4freedom
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To: Texas Fossil

http://butterdezillion.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/obama-bc-seal-contradicts-factcheck.pdf

Here is a good read about the seal that allegedly would make this authentic. Thatt is IF it were the correct seal, the one they use on everyone elses.....


19 posted on 07/22/2011 1:41:04 PM PDT by charlene4 ("The only people who don’t want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide.” BHO)
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