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To the best of my knowledge, only four people have seen the original, long form, vault copy, birth certificate over the last 50 years: two Hawaii Directors of Health, the current Registrar of Vital Statistics for the state of Hawaii and whoever the clerk was who made the two hard copy photocopies of the original.

All of this is hearsay. This document would not be admitted in any court of law as being the genuine birth certificate or a facsimile of the original. There is nothing to back up the fact that it is a copy of an original.

The issue could be resolved by Obama ordering a certified original and then giving the Certified Original to the press. He has posted a PDF on the White House web site with no documentation as to where it came from and there have been dozens of software engineers and documents experts who have not only questioned the authenticity of the document, but have declared it to be a fraud.

60 posted on 07/18/2011 10:05:31 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o)
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All of this is hearsay. This document would not be admitted in any court of law as being the genuine birth certificate or a facsimile of the original. There is nothing to back up the fact that it is a copy of an original.

The issue could be resolved by Obama ordering a certified original and then giving the Certified Original to the press. He has posted a PDF on the White House web site with no documentation as to where it came from and there have been dozens of software engineers and documents experts who have not only questioned the authenticity of the document, but have declared it to be a fraud.

Read Rule 902 of the Federal Rules of Evidence:
http://www.utcourts.gov/resources/rules/ure/0902.htm

The Reader’s Digest Version is that whatever the state of Hawaii says is an authentic birth record for their state which carries the state Seal and an authentification statement from an authorized representative of the state is “self-authenticating” in any Court of Law. The same would be true before any committee of Congress or in a Grand Jury proceeding.

The scanned image from a pdf file is irrelevant. A hard COPY would be introduced in any court of law or before a congressional committee.

From the state of Hawaii:
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: April 27, 2011
HAWAI‘I HEALTH DEPARTMENT GRANTS PRESIDENT OBAMA’S REQUEST FOR CERTIFIED COPIES OF ‘LONG FORM’ BIRTH CERTIFICATE
HONOLULU – The Hawai’i State Health Department recently complied with a request by President Barack Obama for certified copies of his original Certificate of Live Birth, which is sometimes referred to in the media as a “long form” birth certificate.
“We hope that issuing certified copies of the original Certificate of Live Birth to President Obama will end the numerous inquiries related to his birth in Hawai’i,” Hawai’i Health Director Loretta Fuddy said. “I have seen the original records filed at the Department of Health and attest to the authenticity of the certified copies the department provided to the President that further prove the fact that he was born in Hawai’i.”

On April 22, 2011, President Obama sent a letter to Director Fuddy, requesting two certified copies of his original Certificate of Live Birth. Also on that day, Judith Corley, the President’s personal attorney, made the same request in writing on behalf of the President. (Letters from President Obama and Ms. Corley are attached).

On April 25, 2011, pursuant to President Obama’s request, Director Fuddy personally witnessed the copying of the original Certificate of Live Birth and attested to the authenticity of the two copies. Dr. Alvin Onaka, the State Registrar, certified the copies.

President Obama authorized Ms. Corley to pick up the documents. On April 25, 2011, Ms. Corley appeared in person at the Hawai’i State Department of Health building in Honolulu, paid the requisite fee, and was given the two certified copies, a response letter from Director Fuddy to President Obama, and a receipt for payment. (Letter from Director Fuddy is attached).

In June 2008, President Obama released his Certification of Live Birth, which is sometimes referred to in the media as a “short form” birth certificate. Both documents are legally sufficient evidence of birth in the State of Hawai’i, and both provide the same fundamental information: President Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawai’i at 7:24 p.m. on August 4, 1961, to mother Stanley Ann Dunham and father Barack Hussein Obama.

In 2001, the Hawai’i State Department of Health began computer-generating vital statistics records. Since then, its longstanding policy and practice has been to issue and provide only the computer-generated Certifications of Live Birth, and to not produce photocopies of actual records to fulfill requests for certified copies of certificates.
Director Fuddy made an exception for President Obama by issuing copies of the original birth certificate. The departmental policy to issue only computer-generated Certifications of Live Birth remains in effect for all birth records that have been computerized. Director Fuddy, in her capacity as Health Director, has the legal authority to approve the process by which copies of birth records are made.

“The exception made in this case to provide President Obama with a copy of his original Certificate of Live Birth was done according to the letter of the law,” Attorney General David Louie said. “Director Fuddy exercised her legal authority in a completely appropriate manner in this unique circumstance. We will continue to maintain the strict confidentiality requirements afforded to vital statistics records, such as birth certificates. These requirements help protect the integrity of the records, and keep us all safe from crimes, such as identity theft.”

Governor Neil Abercrombie stated: “Considering all of the investigations that have been done and the information that has been provided, no rational person can question the President’s citizenship. We have found a way – once again – to confirm what we already knew: the President was born here in Hawai’i. State officials of both parties have verified that President Obama’s birth records show that he was born in Honolulu.
“President Obama’s mother and father were dear friends of mine, and we must respect their memory. It is an insult to the President, his parents and to the Office to suggest that he was not born in Hawai’i. The State of Hawai’i has done everything within our legal ability to disabuse these conspiracy theorists. We granted the President’s request for certified copies of his birth certificate so we can all move on from this unfortunate distraction and focus on the real issues affecting people today.”
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For more information, contact: Donalyn Dela Cruz, Press Secretary, (808) 586-0012

http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/News_Release_Birth_Certificate_042711.pdf


61 posted on 07/18/2011 10:25:44 AM PDT by jh4freedom
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