Gunwalker: Smoking Gun Email?

Pajamas Media ^ | July 13, 2011 | Patrick Richardson

[TigersEye]

Certainly not. I think it's beyond any possibility of covering up, whitewashing or ignoring now though. With e-mails like this surfacing and the raw fact that around 2,000 of these "walked" guns are still out there it's just getting too hot to go away.

We all know that Hezbollah is very active in Mexico and working with the drug cartels. Now imagine that an 0bama-armed Hezbollah attack occurs on this side of the border. God forbid that that should happen but if it does I almost hope the MSM tries to brush it off so the American people can clearly see what they are all about too.

[famousdayandyear]

Thanks for this post. I’m not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but I’ve wondered why these weapons were ‘recovered’ at crime scenes. Is that not sort of creepy?

[TheOldLady]

Bump

[philman_36]

Here we go! Now that gun is really smoking.
This is a snake in the grass that is heading fast for the brush! The EO should be attacked just as harshly as F&F now before it slips people's minds. Look how many forgot about the light bulb ban until they were reminded.
These hearings on F&F will be going on for a while. This EO needs to be stopped and stopped fast!

That EO lasts until Congress acts against it or it is revoked by another EO.

Federalism Executive Order 13083 by Clinton comes to mind. He had to revoke it due to Congressional and public opposition.

[GOPJ]

If liberals can't 'win' fairly, they cheat. This tactic - killing innocent people while arming animals is classic... Dems couldn't shove gun control down our throats with the facts that exist, so they decided to make up some 'facts' that might work.

This appears to be criminal.

[TigersEye]

I'm not sure his EO really means much. I think it was already a requirement of all FFL holders to report suspicious purchases and attempts to purchase. Even if it wasn't Phoenix ATF agents have already gone on the record as saying that all the gun shops in their jurisdiction were calling them up about the straw buyers.

This was almost purely a propaganda move aimed at creating a distraction and a veneer of responsibility.

[SUSSA]

We need a Special Prosecutor!!

[MurrietaMadman]

In other words, for Operation F&F to be successful, the criminal would have to commit a *SECOND* crime (ie, murder in addition to illegal possesion of a firearm), AND drop the firearm at the scene where it could be recovered.

That's an underlying truth about F&F few others mention.

The bad guys must believe their position is unassailable to exhibit such arrogance.

[Ken H]

Two U.S. law enforcement agents are dead because of this operation, and a reported 150 Mexican citizens are as well.

If I'm reading this correctly, these are just the ones we know about. There could be a lot more. Right?

[Spktyr]

You want a guess? There is probably a F&F clone currently or formerly being run out of just about every border state ATF office.

[Ken H]

I was referring to the number of deaths attributed to F&F guns. Am I right that there may be quite a few more that we don't know about?

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As to your speculation, it would not surprise me at all if it turns out to be right. If it does, I'll remember your post.

[Lurkina.n.Learnin]

“There is probably a F&F clone currently or formerly being run out of just about every border state ATF office.”

Like this one?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2748754/posts

ATF Florida Gun Probe Earns Congressional Scrutiny in Wake of ‘Fast and Furious’

Several lawmakers are questioning the Obama administration about whether the controversial “Fast and Furious” gunrunning probe may have had a cousin in Florida that resulted in guns being trafficked to Central America.

Rep. Gus Bilirakis, R-Fla., penned a letter Tuesday to Attorney General Eric Holder and ATF Acting Director Kenneth Melson inquiring about a program known as “Operation Castaway.” Other top lawmakers are also starting to look into it, though ATF claims the program was above board and not similar to Operation Fast and Furious at all.

[Spktyr]

Well, I don’t think it’s necessarily a matter of a coverup but simply that the connection hasn’t been made yet.

I *am* certain that there will be more casualties going forward and that more will be added in review as reports trickle in.

[Spktyr]

Like that one (but I already mentioned that), but not including it. I suspect that if you look hard enough you will find an F&F modeled operation either previous or ongoing in every border state and every southeastern port state.

[moehoward]

BUMP

[MHGinTN]

PR (public realtions) stunt isn’t even what the Obama administration were looking for. Try false flag operation on for size. It is more to the point though not exact.

[Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!]

bump

[philman_36]

I think it was already a requirement of all FFL holders to report suspicious purchases and attempts to purchase.
Then if that is what you think then you need to ask yourself a question - Why is an EO needed when a law already covers it.

And so far I haven't seen the text of the this purported EO. If you know where it's at I'd like to see the text to compare to the law.
FFL NEWSLETTER FEDERAL FIREARMS LICENSEE INFORMATION SERVICE
FFLs and law enforcement have a long-standing history of mutual support and concern for public safety. Therefore, we ask you to report suspicious activity by purchasers or attempted purchasers.

A law, or EO, orders or mandates. A Newsletter asks. Where's the Law? /WTB! Old Lady
Which law orders them to report anything?
As far as I can see at this point it's voluntary reporting and nothing more.
I'm looking.

[philman_36]

Despite the protests of gun dealers who wished to terminate these transactions, your Administration reportedly encouraged violations of federal firearms laws — and undermined the firearm industry’s concerted efforts to deter straw purchases through the “Don’t Lie for the Other Guy” program. We hope you agree with our belief that this burgeoning scandal merits a full and independent investigation.

Still sounds voluntary.

[philman_36]

As to this purported EO I see why the early push was made.
S.570
A bill to prohibit the Department of Justice from tracking and cataloguing the purchases of multiple rifles and shotguns.