To: southernsunshine
If you wish to verify your interpretation of Clarke's quote, I'd suggest starting with Elliot's Debates.Already been there, and there's nothing that supports your interpretation. Maybe you can find it. Here's a link. But the page number indications in your sources don't match the edition, so you have to dig a little deeper. Go by the dates.
172 posted on
07/07/2011 11:37:05 AM PDT by
Bubba Ho-Tep
("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
To: Bubba Ho-Tep
Already been there, and there's nothing that supports your interpretation.From my post #168:
If you wish to verify your interpretation of Clarke's quote, I'd suggest starting with Elliot's Debates.
What's unclear? The word, "starting" throw you? The words, "If you wish to verify your interpretation" throw you?
To: Bubba Ho-Tep; southernsunshine; rockrr
SS: The North then demanded compensation for the loss of this very thriving trade, and the South readily conceded it by granting them the monopoly of the coasting and carrying trade against all foreign tonnage.
BHT: Maybe you can find it. Here's a link. But the page number indications in your sources don't match the edition
One point of agreement - I don't know what edition this site uses, but the pages are definitely way off from numbers other sources cite. Regardless, perhaps this is what you're looking for? Hamilton speaking on compromises re: NY ratification:
There are navigating and non-navigating states. The Northern are properly navigating states: the Southern appear to possess neither the means nor the spirit of navigation. This difference of situation naturally produces a dissimilarity of interests and views respecting foreign commerce. It was the interest of the Northern States that there should be no restraints on their navigation, and they should have full power, by a majority in Congress, to make commercial regulations in favor of their own, and in restraint of the navigation of foreigners. The Southern States wish to impose a restraint on the Northern, by requiring that two thirds in Congress should be requisite to pass an act in regulation of commerce. They were apprehensive that the restraints of a navigation law would discourage foreigners, and, by obliging them to employ the shipping of the Northern States, would probably enhance their freight. This being the case, they insisted strenuously on having this provision (USC I.2.3 aka "3/5th's compromise") ingrafted in the Constitution; and the Northern States were as anxious in opposing it.
The North knew they'd continue to dominate trade because of both technical superiority and overwhelming house majority. Seems like Hamilton admits here that the compromise was to at least balance out the house a little better for other issues since the south would be ("obliged" to be) poorly represented in the shipping trade and commerce.
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