"To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men." - Abraham Lincoln
Posted on 07/04/2011 6:57:54 AM PDT by jmaroneps37
They did not give up their sovereignty.
Read these quotes again:
Alexander Hamilton; "The attributes of sovereignty are now enjoyed by every state in the Union."
Oliver Ellsworth: "The Thirteen States are Thirteen Sovereign bodies."
Daniel Webster: "The States are Nations." (from Commentaries on the Constitution, Vol. V)
The individual States created the federal government and delegated powers to it. You do not delegate powers to a superior. You can only delegate powers to an inferior or an equal. The federal government was meant to be at the highest, an equal of the States. It was not meant to lord over the States. Sovereign states created the federal government and were not subordinate to it.
You cannot cite any evidence to substantiate that claim. The fact that their unilateral break was engaged with aggression and belligerence, the fact they stole from the union, the fact that they seized union territory and made plain their intentions to take as much else as they could belies any noble or peaceful intent.
Actually according to the reference that I gave you asserted that he gave her freedom with the other Custis slaves in 1862. When the Custis slaves were inventoried in 1857, a “Nancy” was listed, and was 21 years old. That would have made her 19 in 1855, 10 in 1846, too young to have 4 children in 1846
Apparently different Nancy mentioned in 1857 than the one mentioned in 1846.
"We the Delegates of the People of Virginia duly elected...in behalf of the People of Virginia declare and make known that the powers granted under the Constitution being derived from the People of the United States may be resumed by them whensoever the same shall be perverted to their injury or oppression and that every power not granted thereby remains with them and at their will: that therefore no right of any denomination can be cancelled abridged restrained or modified..."
And that reservation has no legal effect. Their unity had already been established under the Articles of Confederation, in perpetuity, and made more perfect by the Constitution.
As a matter of law, the legality of the pretended secession was evaluated in Texas v. White, and it was found to be illegal.
Funny thing is even though the wrong side won the first time, next time the states that want to be free of their oppressors in DC and the socialist states will leave without a shot being fired.
Hard to get a bunch of degenerate marxist crook sex pervert imbecile animals away from the slop trough long enough to mount an invasion.
The people of Virginia, in their ratification of the Constitution of the United States of America, adopted by them in Convention, on the 25th day of June, in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and eight-eight, having declared that the powers granted them under the said Constitution were derived from the people of the United States, and might be resumed whensoever the same should be perverted to their injury and oppression, and the Federal Government having perverted said powers, not only to the injury of the people of Virginia, but to the oppression of the Southern slaveholding States.
Now, therefore, we, the people of Virginia, do declare and ordain that the Ordinance adopted by the people of this State in Convention, on the twenty-fifth day of June, in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and seventy-eight, whereby the Constitution of the United States of America was ratified, and all acts of the General Assembly of this State, ratifying or adopting amendments to said Constitution, are hereby repealed and abrogated; that the union between the State of Virginia and the other States under the Constitution aforesaid, is hereby dissolved, and that the State of Virginia is in the full possession and exercise of all the rights of sovereignty which belong to a free and independent State. And they do further declare that the said Constitution of the United State of America is no longer binding on any of the citizens of this State.
This Ordinance shall take effect and be an act of this day when ratified by a majority of the votes of the people of this State, cast at a poll to be taken thereon on the fourth Thursday in May next, in pursuance of a schedule hereafter to be enacted.
Done in Convention, in the city of Richmond, on the seventeenth day of April, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-one, and in the eighty-fifth year of the Commonwealth of Virginia
JNO. L. EUBANK,
Sec'y of Convention.
Did the South prepare armies after secession? Yes. Although she hoped the North would let them go in peace, she suspected that they would not.
Jefferson Davis said in his first inaugural address that, "Should reason guide the action of the Government from which we have separated, a policy so detrimental to the civilized world, the Northern States included, could not to dictated by even the strongest desire to inflict injury upon us; but, if the contrary should prove true, a terrible responsibility will rest upon it, and the suffering of millions will bear testimony to the folly and wickedness of our aggressors."
"To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men." - Abraham Lincoln
On this we can agree.
But the soul of the myth is that the Confederates only "fought for slavery." This is a slander malicious beyond denigration of the participants in the conflict from the Southern States. This is a slander designed to undermine the foundations of American liberty. And the sad fact is that it works.
So wake up my friend. I can think of no better day than the 4th of July to relect on the events that led us to the sorry state we find ourselves in today.
The south prepared for war even before they split. It was their intention all along.
Then their accession to the Constitution also had no legal effect.
Btw, the union under the Constitution was not the same as the Union under the Articles. The union under the articles styled itself as perpetual, yet it was not. A convention was held to discuss changes in the articles but instead the States at the convention created a new government. They broke away (seceeded) from the government under the articles and created a new one. Not all the states joined the new union. A few States stayed under the old articles for a while while the other states were in the new union (btw, the term perpetual was conspicous by its absense in the new constitution). The two unions were not the same, or else how could you have some states being members of one and some being members of the other at the same time?
the legality of the pretended secession was evaluated in Texas v. White, and it was found to be illegal.
Too bad. The Founders already agreed that secession was a right. So if someone else says it is not a right does that really make it not a right? If some court says that owning guns is not really a right, does that really make it so?
"If men, through fear, fraud, or mistake, should in terms renounce or give up any natural right, the enternal law of reason and the grand end of society would absolutely vacate such renounciation. The right to freedom being the gift of god, it is not in the power of man to alienate this gift and voluntarily become a slave."
-Samuel Adams, Father of the American Revolution
They prepared for war because they suspected they would be invaded. Do you seriously think that they wanted to start a war with a numerically superior foe? Sheesh.
Oh, OK, I guess that settles that.
I never said that they were smart.
Patrick Henry: "I am not a Virginian but an American"
Now your are just being silly.
The people of the United States, not the people of Virginia, are the ones referenced by "may be resumed by them."
Grammatically, a pronoun refers to the immediately previous noun whenever it is not made explicit otherwise. You don't hop over it to a previous noun.
There are two myths out there.
1. The war was only about slavery.
2. The war had nothing to do with or was only peripherally about slavery.
Both are pretty obviously equally false.
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