The Four Most Likely Ways You Can Die If The SHTF

SHTF Plan ^ | 6-30-2011 | Tess Pennington

[CholeraJoe]

Umm, excuse me, but did you read the ingredients? It calls for 2 tablespoons of bottled lemon juice per quart. The lemon juice is acidic and adds enough acid to make them safe to can in a boiling water bath.

According to the USDA canning guidelines, tomatoes are better when canned with a pressure canner. "Recommendation: Use of a pressure canner will result in higher quality and more nutritious canned tomato products. If your pressure canner cannot be operated above 15 PSI, select a process time at a lower pressure." Link to PDF

I'm certainly not willing to take a chance with Botulism, since the survival rate is only about 10%.

[Ratman83]

bttt

[bgill]

The garbage and pests worried me more than the hordes. Yikes!

Same here. Garbage can be burned and buried but too many in the cities haven't a clue about that and would let it pill up and whine that the garbage trucks aren't hauling it away for them. That's when the diseases will start spreading. Same thing with they turn the faucet and there's no water. Handwashing is very important.

[Georgia Girl 2]

Tetracyclin is the only antibiotic that can actually hurt you when it goes past the expiration date. Cipro and Amoxacillin are two very good broad spectrum antibiotics to stock up on. You can purchase these drugs through the online Canadian Pharmacy without a prescription as well as some pain killers.

[JDW11235]

Agreed. Garbage is simple (though not necessarilly easy), to eliminate. My great grandma, for example had a system of three components. Any food waste, etc. went to the compost heap. Anything that could burn went into the burn drum (oil barrel), anything else (very little) went to the garbage.

Regarding handwashing, one simple way would be to setup 5 gallon buckets, in a sytem like the jews had for handwashing. With a series of a few buckets (I believe they had 7), you can wash in the first, and then rinse very well in the last few. That way, you only have to swap out the dirtiest buckets every once in a while. (Bleach or a disinfectant could be put into one).

It’s like washing clothes in a bucket (I did for some time, once). You just get two buckets (#1 and #2). The first (#1) bucket you wash in. Then move to the second (#2) clean water bucket. Then dump out the first (#1), and fill with clean water, and rinse again. The first rinse bucket (#2), then becomes your wash bucket, and the new rinse (#1-originally the wash bucket) becomes the rinse bucket, and the process repeats.

You could easily do that with the hand washing, dumping out and cleaning/refilling only the dirtiest bucket, and making it your new clean bucket (with some bleach/sanitizer, etc). That way you can have clean hands most of the time, but not have to use any excess water run down the drain. Also that dirty bucket being dumped out could be used to flush the toilet, so, there’s lots of options.

[JDW11235]

You can always legally buy antibiotics for your pets, like fish, if they need them too...

[Mad Dawgg]

"and you’re willing to share the design?"

Yeah, However I got it from youtube. Some guy was making a moonshine still. I used his design and refined it a bit.

Here is the link: http://youtu.be/viaizr5GVdg to the original video I got the idea from.

The way I refined the design was to get a some copper pipe fittings that allowed me to connect the coiled copper pipe to the pressure cooker using a threaded connector thus allowing me to use a stainless steel nut on the interior of the pressure cooker eliminating the threat of lead contaminates yet providing a much more stable connection than the "cork" method provides.

Further I use a threaded water tap/faucet on the opposite end of the tube and another threaded connector and mounted it via a hole I drilled in the plastic bucket. This allows me to fill the sump with water instead of ice and eliminate the "sump water" leaking out around the copper tube sticking out the unsealed hole in the bucket. (you don't need ice in the sump to distill water wherein apparently the colder temps are desired when distilling alcohol)

interior of sump (plastic 5 gallon bucket)

faucet on exterior of sump (plastic 5 gallon bucket)

opposite end of coil (pressure cooker end)

top of pressure cooker (where sump coil connects)

interior connection of pressure cooker

(note the thermometer connection also. Such is not needed for water distillation but I did not know that when I made this one. All further models I made don't have one.)

See the basic idea is to turn the water into steam and then cool the steam back down so it changes back to water.

I used about 20 feet total of copper piping.

[MrB]

Tetracyclin is the only antibiotic that can actually hurt you when it goes past the expiration date.

Oft repeated, but really never studied.
This assertion is based on one case where someone died of renal failure and they found that he had taken expired tetracycline. There was never a definitive cause/effect relationship established.

[Kartographer]

I hope many of my fellow FReepers are prepping so that as many Patriots come out the otherside as possible.

If you haven’t already it’s time to prepare. You needed to be stocking up on food guns, ammo, basic household supplies like soap, papergoods, cleaning supplies, good sturdy clothes including extra socks, underwear and extra shoes and boots, a extra couple changes of oil and filters for your car, tools, things you buy everyday start buying two and put one up.

If you are just starting or an old hand at prepping I like to recomend that you look over my Preparedness Manual which you can down load at:

http://www.tomeaker.com/kart/preparedness1i.pdf

I think that we are at the very least in for a collapse much like that of Argentina’s ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yerKMQc7-w&feature=grec_index), but as a armed society with a very large entitlement minded population our collapse will be much more violent and I see many many small business wiped out by flash mob looting, and large scale violence (look at what happened just this past Memorial Day weekend)and then there is this is going on in Chicago:”Emanuel said he spoke with McCarthy over the weekend and again this morning about the situation. The mayor said the city’s reputation as a safe place to work and shop downtown is being endangered by the thuggery. Many of the attacks are happening near the biggest tourist and shopping attractions in the city.

But, CBS 2’s Jim Williams reports, the problem of mob attacks downtown is much bigger than the weekend beatings, according to beat cops who wanted to remain anonymous.”

And it’s not just Chicago, but Washington DC, Las Vegas, St Paul, Philadelphia and on most major big ‘Blue’ cities are increasingly reporting such flash mobs and gang muggings. Look what happened just this past weekend in Peoria, Il:

http://peoriachronicle.com/2011/06/25/peorians-living-in-fear/

Teenage Flash Mob Robberies on the Rise:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/06/18/top-five-most-brazen-flash-mob-robberies/

Rash of violence isn’t flash mobs, it’s wilding

http://www.suntimes.com/news/roeper/5826624-417/rash-of-violence-isnt-flash-mobs-its-wilding.html

Teens in a mob assault and rob Center City patrons

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20110629_Teens_in_a_mob_assault_and_rob_Center_City_patrons.html

I see what I call ‘Pocket Pogroms’ taking place in many big ‘Blue’ cities and if you aren’t a “0bamamite yutes” it’s going to get Reginald Denny bad for you very quickly.

As the LDS say “When the emergency is upon us the time for preparedness has past.”

Or as the bible says: A prudent man sees danger and takes refuge, but the simple keep going and suffer for it.
NIV Proverbs 22:3

“There is no greater disaster than to underestimate danger.

Underestimation can be fatal.”

[Georgia Girl 2]

I have done a lot of online searching and if you don’t mind the generic you can order almost any popular drug. I am going to order 1 year of all of my Mom’s drugs in case we can’t get to a pharmacy. You can get plavix, Norvast, Cynthroid and most of the statins. Its not agains’t the law. I order Evista online without a prescription all the time. And Robaxin which is a muscle relaxer.

[Ratman83]

Will somebody please explain to me what a zombie is? Look to the White House and there is your answer.

[metmom]

Works for me.

[The Duke]

Why is distillation more important than simply boiling? Are there scenarios which imagine massive quantities of nonbiological contaminants? Or simply poisonous biological byproducts, like tomain (sp?)

The issue with distillation *and* boiling is FUEL. Eventually you can/will run out of fuel, or will be foraging far afield for it. Even it it is available, obtaining it will consume your valuable time. In terms of cost-effectiveness and overall effectiveness I can't recommend the Katadyne "pocket filter" highly enough - with a pore size of .2 microns, it's one of the most serious water filters on the planet.

Also, I can't recommend highly enough the use of calcium hypochlorite to sanitize water (after its been filtered).

Regarding distillation, I recommend using Mother Nature's own distillation process (aka. collecting rain water).

1) Collect rain water
2) Pre-filter the rain water through a cotton cloth
3) Filter that water through a TEOTWAWKI-quality water filter
4) Purify with bleach that has been made from calcium hychlorite.

Regarding sanitation:

1) Have a "sanitation plan" in place
2) Have a couple of bags of lime ready to use
3) Understand the rules for making and locating latrines
4) Be prepared to deal with diarrhea (knowing "Oral Rehydration Therapy" can save lives).
5) Strongly enforce basic sanitation habits among everyone in the group.

[DBrow]

“My teenage son is a type 1 diabetic and needs insulin to survive.”

Insulin used to be extracted from cow, sheep, or goat pancreas.

Learning how to do that might be a sell-able skill when the troubles begin. Along with animal husbandry and butchering.

[dangus]

TEOTWAWKI?

[blam]

"Tomatoes don’t need to be pressure cooked they are acidic and you also add some salt to them. Other non-acidic food need pressure canning though, meats, beans, cheese, corn, ect.. Anything with lots of sugar, acid, lots of salt(can’t remember how much, I think it was 10% of volume), vinegar don’t need the pressure canner. Best thing to do is just buy a good canning book. "

Thanks, I know that. I've eaten home grown and home canned vegetables most of my life. I am very familiar with canning.

[blam]

"Many common antibiotics are available from farm supply sources, in bulk quantities, without a prescription and cheaper than the pharmacy. "

Yup. I used these guys Without a prescription) for years: CalVet Supply

[DBrow]

Most of those little icold packs also contain ammonium nittrate as the cooling ingredient. It has many uses besides cold.

[tacticalogic]

If you live in the city, I don’t see much point in stockpiling more of anything than you can take with you. The cities are going to burn.

[MsLady]

Yea, it’s not the dying so much as it is the length and the suffering before hand. Just horrific to think of what might be if this all collapses. I’d say it would never get to the point your talking about though. Just a thought. I think people in their panic would pic a leader who would promise them away out of the mess. Even if that leader was the devil himself. All I can say is God help us.