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To: aMorePerfectUnion
IF you are a Christian, you have died by being included in the crucifixion with Christ when you exercised saving faith.

St. Paul has just said, in Romans 6, that you died when you were baptized: "Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life." (Romans 6:3-4)

I'm just following his thought.

6 posted on 06/25/2011 7:07:15 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Lutheran pastor, LCMS)
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To: Charles Henrickson
St. Paul has just said, in Romans 6, that you died when you were baptized: "Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life." (Romans 6:3-4)


Agreed, but that isn't the whole story.

blessings to you.

7 posted on 06/25/2011 7:15:10 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (A Nation of Sheep Breeds a Government of Wolves!)
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To: Charles Henrickson; aMorePerfectUnion
What an odd textual sermon. Few chapters in the Bible have been the subject of more decidedly different interpretations than Rom 7 however. And after all that has been written on it by the learned, it is still made a matter of discussion, whether the apostle has reference, in the main scope of the chapter, to his own experience before he became a Christian, or to the conflicts in the mind of a man who is renewed. The main design of the chapter is not very difficult to understand. It is evidently to show the insufficiency of the law to produce peace of mind to a troubled sinner.

Nearly all the peculiar opinions of the Jews the apostle had overthrown in his previous argument. Here he gives the finishing stroke, and shows that the tendency of the law, as a practical matter, was everywhere the same. It was not, in fact, to produce peace, but agitation, conflict, distress. Yet this was not the fault of the law, which was in itself good, but of sin, Rom 7:6-24. I regard this chapter as not referring exclusively to Paul in a state of nature, or of grace. The discussion is conducted without particular reference to that point. It is rather designed to group together the actions of a man's life, whether in a state of conviction for sin or in a state of grace, and to show that the effect of the law is everywhere substantially the same. It equally fails everywhere in producing peace and sanctification. The argument of the Jew respecting the efficacy of the law; and its sufficiency for the condition of man, is thus overthrown by a succession of proofs relating to justification, to pardon, to peace, to the evils of sin, and to the agitated and conflicting moral elements in man's bosom. The effect is everywhere the same. The deficiency is apparent in regard to ALL, the great interests of man. And having shown this, the apostle and the reader are prepared for the language of triumph and gratitude, that deliverance from all these evils is to be traced to the gospel of Jesus Christ the Lord, Rom 7:25

The apostle had, in the preceding chapter, shown the converted Gentiles the obligations they were under to live a holy life, addresses himself here to the Jews who might hesitate to embrace the Gospel; lest, by this means, they should renounce the law, which might appear to them as a renunciation of their allegiance to God. As they rested in the law, as sufficient for justification and sanctification, it was necessary to convince them of their mistake. That the law was insufficient for their justification the apostle had proved, in chapters iii., iv., and v.; that it is insufficient for their sanctification he shows in this chapter; and introduces his discourse by showing that a believing Jew is discharged from his obligations to the law, and is at liberty to come under another and much happier constitution, viz. that of the Gospel of Christ, Rom 7:1-4. In Rom 7:5 he gives a general description of the state of a Jew, in servitude to sin, considered as under mere law. In Rom 7:6 he gives a summary account of the state of a Christian, or believing Jew, and the advantages he enjoys under the Gospel. Upon Rom 7:5 he comments from Rom 7:7-25, and upon Rom 7:6 he comments, Rom 8:1-11.

In explaining his position in Rom 7:5 he shows:

  1. That the law reaches to all the branches and latent principles of sin.
  2. That it subjected the sinner to death without the expectation of pardon.
  3. He shows the reason why the Jew was put under it.
  4. He proves that the law, considered as a rule of action, though it was spiritual, just, holy, and good in itself, yet was insufficient for sanctification, or for freeing a man from the power of inbred sin. For, as the prevalency of sensual appetites cannot wholly extinguish the voice of reason and conscience, a man may acknowledge the law to be holy, just, and good, and yet his passions reign within him, keeping him in the most painful and degrading servitude, while the law supplied no power to deliver him from them; as that power can only be supplied by the grace of Jesus Christ, Rom 7:25.
Your position is non sequirot respecting Paul's arguement made in vi., Were baptized into Christ (ebaptisthêmen eis Christon) is first aorist passive indicative of baptizô. Better, "were baptized unto Christ or in Christ." The translation "into" makes Paul say that the union with Christ was brought to pass by means of baptism, which is not his idea, for Paul was not a sacramentarian. Eis is at bottom the same word as en. Baptism is the public proclamation of one's inward spiritual relation to Christ attained before the baptism (cf. Gal 3:27 where it is like putting on an outward garment or uniform). Into his death (eis ton thanaton autou) So here "unto his death," "in relation to his death," which relation Paul proceeds to explain by the symbolism of the ordinance in the following passage.

We were buried therefore with him by means of baptism unto death (sunetaphêmen oun autôi dia tou baptismatos eis ton thanaton) second aorist passive indicative of sunthaptô, old verb 'to bury together with' (only here and Col 2:12). With associative instrumental case (autôi) and "by means of baptism unto death" (from preceeding verse). In newness of life (en kainotêti zôês) The picture in baptism points two ways: backwards to Christ's death and burial and to our death to sin (cf. Rom 6:1), forwards to Christ's resurrection from the dead and to our new life pledged by the coming out of the watery grave to walk on the other side of the baptismal grave. There is the further picture of our own resurrection from the grave. It is a tragedy that Paul's majestic picture here has been so blurred by controversy that some refuse to see it. It should be said also that a symbol is not the reality, but the picture of the reality.

10 posted on 06/25/2011 7:32:45 PM PDT by raygun (http://bastiat.org/en/the_law DOT html)
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