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To: Nathanael1
MvH is not describing two distinct classes, but is saying some authorities broaden the definition by eliminating the jus sanguinis requirement. Anyone who is a member of the first, more restrictive class is, by the definition set forth in MvH, also a member of the second, broader class.

Once again, the birther argument impales itself on the crystal clarity of the English.

Sorry, but what exactly is your point?? NBC is obviously a subclass of the term "citizen". No so-called "birther" would argue against that. Waite isn't trying to define what it means to be a citizen. He's rejecting Virginia Minor's argument of being a 14th amendment citizen because she is a natural born citizen. If he accepted her argument, there was no need to explain why there are doubts about the citizenship of persons who are not born in the country to citizen parents. Second, what you and the other faithers and Obots overlook is that Waite distinguished natives or natural born citizens from aliens or foreigners. Anyone who is NOT born in the country to citizen parents is naturally an alien or naturally a foreigner. The only way they become citizens is through collective naturalization (by statute or Constitutional declaration) or by voluntary naturalization.

76 posted on 06/26/2011 12:04:52 AM PDT by edge919
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To: edge919
He's rejecting Virginia Minor's argument of being a 14th amendment citizen

Never happened. Nope. Nuh-uh. At no time during the proceedings of the case was Minor's citizenship ever contested (had it been, she would not have had standing to bring the case in the first place), nor was it ever necessary for her to defend it. How could Waite be rejecting an argument she never made?

From the original Statement:

"It is admitted, by the pleadings, that the plaintiff is a native-born, free, white citizen of the United States, and of the State of Missouri."

(Am I the only one in this discussion that has read the original brief and petition?)

105 posted on 06/26/2011 10:35:06 AM PDT by Nathanael1
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To: edge919
NBC is obviously a subclass of the term "citizen". No so-called "birther" would argue against that.

If you mean subclass of the "citizen" which Waite describes as "born in the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents", then birthers argue against it constantly. Look at the number of times in this thread alone one birther or another has insisted Waite is talking about children born of two citizen parents on the one hand and of aliens or foreigners on the other. Obviously, any class of children born of two citizen parents cannot be a subclass of children born of aliens.

135 posted on 06/26/2011 8:18:59 PM PDT by Nathanael1
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