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To: philman_36

philman_36 wrote: “You poor guy. You do it again while denying that you do. And you should just throw every source you use out the window since what you believe (’I equate...’) overrides everything.”

You tell not the truth. I’ve been consistent all along: That native-born citizens are natural born citizens was clear and settled long ago, and that’s we enough to dismiss the nonsense at issue. You asked a broader question, and I can tell you that the modern consensus is that “natural-born citizen” means citizen from birth.

philman_36 claimed: “No, I injected “[native-born citizens]” into the sentence to give clarification to the “they” mentioned.”

No, philman_36, the antecedent was clear. Here it is without your falsification:

“The approach of our 45th presidential election evokes once again the question of constitutional eligibility. Under the presidential qualification clause of the Constitution, only ‘natural-born’ citizens are qualified for this highest office. It is clear enough that native-born citizens are eligible and that naturalized citizens are not. The recurring doubts relate to those who have acquired United States citizenship through birth abroad to American parents. Can they be regarded as ‘natural-born’ within the contemplation of the Constitution?”

Perfectly clear what question he was examining. You, philman_36, quoted falsely.


329 posted on 06/25/2011 12:03:07 PM PDT by BladeBryan
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To: BladeBryan

Man, after your 600 word attack on Donofrio I’ve got nothing but contempt for you. Don’t bother me again.


332 posted on 06/25/2011 3:02:52 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: BladeBryan

“...That native-born citizens are natural born citizens was clear and settled long ago,..”

You’re full of crap and spreading lies.

Natural born Citizen is an eligibility requirement to serve as President of the United States per Article 2, Section 1, of the United States Constitution, period. It does not appear ANYWHERE else in the statutes covering citizenship.

For the Federal descriptions of citizenship, go to:

http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.eb1d4c2a3e5b9ac89243c6a7543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=a2ec6811264a3210VgnVCM100000b92ca60aRCRD&vgnextchannel=a2ec6811264a3210VgnVCM100000b92ca60aRCRD

United States Citizenship and Immigration Services - Citizenship

If you meet certain requirements, you may become a U.S. citizen either at birth or after birth.

To become a citizen at birth, you must:

* Have been born in the United States or certain territories or outlying possessions of the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction of the United States; OR
* had a parent or parents who were citizens at the time of your birth (if you were born abroad) and meet other requirements

To become a citizen after birth, you must:

* Apply for “derived” or “acquired” citizenship through parents
* Apply for naturalization

The above describe ‘native born’, ‘derived, and ‘naturalized’ citizenship. You will not find ‘natural born citizenship anywhere on that government site. It is not recognized as a statutory type of citizenship.

The eligibility requirements for Senator and Representative require one be a Citizen (native born, derived from parents, or naturalized - it doesn’t matter).

To be President requires a person be a Natural born Citizen (note the wording; person, rather than ‘citizen’). The Constitutional Congress was very detailed about this issue.

Leo Donofrio has now found the definition in legal precedent.

Don’t bother spreading any more disinformation on Free Republic.


333 posted on 06/25/2011 10:15:42 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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