The New Barbarians of Secession

DumpDC blog ^ | June 18, 2011 | Russell D. Longcore

[NTHockey]

Rather than secession, we should try nullification first.

[stevie_d_64]

Are you??? Because I didn’t intend my analysis to be a joke...

You and the other middle-grounders may find iteasy behind the anonymity of your keyboard there to scoff at the potential problems arising from a secessionist atmosphere...And you insolt the peolpe who are amiable to the concept, yet you still have no solution to the issue...

I was only pointing out that you do not wish to have any part of a potential change that might very well be the only real option some people believe in, or at least entertain...

I stated that I do my dirty work within the system, and I have been doing it for years, from inside the party...Now is the mark of success in that effort attributing to my entertaining such a drastic measure of sucession??? Yep...

But I made it clear that I intend to continue to effect change within the system...I am also prepared to support a sucession effort as well...

You obviously think this is all a joke...To which I figured you might just want to stay out of the way for your own safety...You are probably not effected as much as other Americans by the “tyrrany of good intentions” by our government, to which I beg you to just stay out of the way of efforts to correct the deficiencies of our elected government...

Some people are still willing to fight for your care free future...Maybe you should reflect and show appreciation for that sacrifice, instead of saying some of us are idiots or nuts as you so well annunciate...

[stevie_d_64]

You should know best...

[NFHale]

RE Washington’s Address “...With slight shades of difference, you have the same religion, manners, habits, and political principles. You have in a common cause fought and triumphed together; the independence and liberty you possess are the work of joint counsels, and joint efforts of common dangers, sufferings, and successes...”

This was true back then, and for a while afterwards. But now...not so much.

We have allowed the liberal/socialist/communist mentality to exist, under the protection of the 1st Amendment, to attack and wither our society from within - “..the batteries of internal and external enemies will be most constantly and actively (though often covertly and insidiously) directed...”

I don’t believe in secession; I believe in a Patton-esque mentality - that of taking BACK what is OURS, and making the other dumb bastards leave.

I say F*** THEM.

Let’s see how determined THEY are to fight for what THEY believe in. And what exactly DO they believe in? Being a “Citizen of the World”?? Being “The New Communist Man?” Being a good little UN drone, or apparatchnik?

THAT’s worth fighting and dying for??? I think not.

A free man, an American Man, backed into a corner and fighting for his liberty, is a dangerous thing to ANY totalitarian mindset.

I’m an American. You all are too. Our ancestors lived and died fighting for this country and for the idea of this country. They lost arms, legs, eyes, pieces of their bodies and years of their lives for generations to come after them. For the IDEA of America - the idea that we ARE better, we ARE just and fair, we ARE the Last Best Hope. That no matter what your background, no matter where you came from or how shitty your life was, you still have an equal shot at making yourself into a success - not a guarantee that it will happen, but an equal shot at it. The idea that we have a set of rules to live by, and rights enumerated, and that politicians as well as “the little guy” are held accountable to the SAME set of rules. I know - that part of the dream has been corrupted - but only because WE haven’t dragged the bastards out of their offices and thrown them in jail EVERY TIME one of them stole from the public treasury (like they would do to US) or committed treason with a foreign enemy, or deliberately tried to incite racial, class, gender hatred to get re-elected.

WE let it happen - because we didn’t quickly, forcefully, and impartially enforce “the rules” that were handed down to us. We waited for “the proper authorities” to act - when WE ARE THE PROPER AUTHORITIES in the first place. WE are the First Responders - and we fell down on the job. We let the corrupt become the police force of the corrupt. They investigate themselves, and find nothing at all wrong.

We weren’t paying attention, and neither were our parents, nor our grandparents - because then as now, we’re all caught up in trying to make a living and keep the lights on and make sure the kids have food in their bellies and clothes on their backs.

Not to mention the mindless distractoins, drivel and minutia of day-to-day living in a ten-second attention span society.

But here’s the rub, folks - There isn’t anywhere else to run to; this is IT.

Seceed? To where? As poster “X” pointed out - the ChiComs are DYING for us to disintegrate and will do everything possible to facilitate that. Again, F*** them. We have internal enemies that would GLADLY roll over and spread their legs for these b*stards. Our task is to eliminate the internal enemies that would make it possible for the ChiComs to harm us.

Being an American is worth fighting and dying for. I was BORN an American, I LIVE as an American, and I will DIE as an American, and nothing else.

This is OUR country. Our ancestors, our blood, MADE it a nation. Our people are buried here. Our homes are here.

I say this - instead of secession, make the other side leave - make THEM seceed. Make it so miserable and uncomfortable for that mentality that they take their stupid ideology back across the oceans where it came from. Make them take their class, gender, race conflict tactics, their stupid wealth redistribution schemes, and their baiting and dividing schemes back to the sh*tholes they idolize so much.

While the system is workable, we use it to force them out of office, out of authority, out of ANY position where they can cause undue damage. And the system still IS workable - look at the way both sides FREAKED about the Tea Party, and how the RINOs immediately tried to co-opt it.

That’s the only secession I believe in - making THEM seceede from OUR land, from offices and positions of authority, from legislating, etc.

Failing that, well, by any means necessary, then.

But us leaving is not an option. To me, that’s like running away.

I just wasn’t brought up like that. I don’t think anyone out here was brought up that way.

One team, one fight, people.

[B4Ranch]

Secession? Nope. It’s all-or-nothing.
Posted by Ann Barnhardt - June 10, AD 2011 8:49 AM MST
(Originally posted June 23, AD 2010)

I have received many emails and have heard much talk about the U.S. breaking into two countries - one Constitutional Republic built on a foundation of Judeo-Christian principles consisting of the Mountain, Central and Southern states (essentially a continuation of the original United States of America), and a Marxist-Socialist-Atheist confederation consisting of the Pacific Coast states, the Upper Midwest (IL, MI, WI) and the New England states.

While it is sorely tempting to think about drop-kicking the liberal states and going our seperate ways, the reality is that this would be a MASSIVE mistake, and would almost certainly set in motion a chain of events that would end Western Civilization.

If this sort of “divorce” were to happen, we all know that the New U.S. (NUS) would thrive while the Marxist Confederation (MC) would quickly fail catastophically. When that failure happened, the MC would come begging to the NUS to bail it out. Now, you might be thinking, “Screw ‘em. They made their bed, now they can sleep in it. They’ll get no help from us.” That’s a knee-jerk reaction, and it would be the WRONG reaction. Why? Because if the NUS turned down the MC’s requests for help, who would be the ONLY other nation capable of bailing out the MC? China. And as we should all understand with crystal clarity, the liberals in the MC states would be, without question, idiotic enough to actually INVITE the Chinese to take over their economy, and eventually their land - purely as a “peacekeeping force” to control the food shortage riots, you understand. So, in order to stave off Chinese involvement in North America, we would have to bail the MC out anyway. It’s a textbook “damned if you do, damned if you don’t”.

In the event of a divorce wherein the NUS didn’t prop up the MC, the ports of San Diego, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Portland and Seattle would be completely vulnerable, and eventually would be thrown wide open to a cold invasion. The same could also be said for the East Coast ports. Boston, New York and Washington D.C. would be vulnerable and/or invite a “peacekeeping force” from the U.N., probably led by Russia. Now we need to talk military tactics. Assume that what I have just laid out actually came to pass. The NUS and Constitutionalist refugees from the MC states are now compressed into the geographic center of the continent. To the west lies the Chinese Army. To the east lies the UN/Russian army.

This is called a “Strategic Flanking”. In fact, this would be the largest strategic flanking in world history. To be “flanked” is very, very bad. If you are fighting any sort of battle, you want to keep your adversary in front of you at all times and your sides CLEAR. You must NEVER allow the adversary to move along your sides (flanks). Combat tacticians are CONSTANTLY looking for a way to move their troops in such a way so that they “gain the flanks”. Once a force loses its flanks, it becomes nearly impossible (without a massive advantage in weaponry) to escape. The most famous tactical flanking in history was executed by Hannibal at the Battle of Cannae in 216 BC. With fewer than 40,000 men, Hannibal drew the Roman army of 90,000 men into his center, and then wrapped around their flanks on both sides, thus forming a semi-circle around the Romans. By doing this, Hannibal was able to COMPLETELY DESTROY the Roman army with fewer than HALF the number of men.

The most famous strategic flanking to date is probably the flanking of Nazi Germany by the Soviet army to the east and the Allies to the west. While this involved the entire European continent, the flanking I describe above on the North American continent would dwarf the Nazi flanking in size and scope. It is not hard to imagine a massive Chinese force pushing and compressing the NUS from the west, eventually wrapping around the northern flank, with a UN/Russian force compressing from New England in a southwesterly direction, pushing the people of the NUS south towards the Gulf of Mexico, and utter defeat.

Given these obvious tactical realities, I hope that one and all now see that the UNION MUST BE PRESERVED. The United States of America MUST remain intact from “sea to shining sea”. It is all-or-nothing for us. Amicable divorce is NOT an option. We can not allow Marxism to establish any quarter, even in the spirit of “compromise” and the avoidance of possible hostilities, because that “compromise” and “avoidance” would be to sign our own death warrants, and the death warrant of Western Civilization. It would be far better to fight a war of national preservation than to fight a war against a conquering Sino-Russian invasion.

How sick is it that I have to post this crap? I’m a 34 year old single woman. I should be planning my next business move, or thinking about recreational travel. Instead, I’m standing here, mid-morning on a Friday, writing essays on secession dynamics and military tactics for the North American theater. This is the living, breathing definition of FUBAR. God save us.

[EternalVigilance]

One of the best rants I’ve ever seen on FR.

All I can say it “amen.”

[NFHale]

She’s excellent. A Patriot.

[EternalVigilance]

Given these obvious tactical realities, I hope that one and all now see that the UNION MUST BE PRESERVED. The United States of America MUST remain intact from “sea to shining sea”. It is all-or-nothing for us. Amicable divorce is NOT an option. We can not allow Marxism to establish any quarter, even in the spirit of “compromise” and the avoidance of possible hostilities, because that “compromise” and “avoidance” would be to sign our own death warrants, and the death warrant of Western Civilization.

Very well said.

[NFHale]

One team, one fight.

The enemy is out THERE.

[EternalVigilance]

"From whence shall we expect the approach of danger? Shall some trans-Atlantic military giant step the earth and crush us at a blow? Never. All the armies of Europe and Asia...could not by force take a drink from the Ohio River or make a track on the Blue Ridge in the trial of a thousand years. No, if destruction be our lot we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of free men we will live forever or die by suicide."

-- Abraham Lincoln

[caww]

...and yet the United States very land and companies are being sought and bought out by foreign entities on a daily....a quick look at Drudge today testifies to this...and just one days news.

[B4Ranch]

>>Let’s see how determined THEY are to fight for what THEY believe in. And what exactly DO they believe in? Being a “Citizen of the World”?? Being “The New Communist Man?” Being a good little UN drone, or apparatchnik?<<

The men in the suits are the ones who need to be eliminated from the political scene. Their troops won’t do anything until they are ordered to and even then they are going to want a paycheck. If the folks at TSA don’t get a paycheck they aren’t going to continue molesting old ladies and babies.

Figure out how to stop either one and the war is over.

[NFHale]

Lincoln had his moments....

[caww]

Add to that the International trump card of partitioning the world into trade hemisphere’s and the like. Remember Obama not too long ago signed on for this...with Canada, USA, and Mexico being one block. We’ll never see our borders closed for that.

[Noumenon]

You are correct in every respect. The uncomforatble truth that most of us cannot seem to face is that the restoration of our Republic cannot be restored by peaceful means. That's the protocol for the aftermath of the absolutely Biblical housecleaning that will be required first. These monsters - yes, monsters have set themselves a terrible table - their own rules of engagement, their cruel and sadistic vision of the future calls for the death of billions and the enslavement of the remainder. Some of them have said as much, openly now, now that their mask has begun to slip.

They are not only unfit to live in a free society; they are unfit to live.

[stevie_d_64]

That’s the only secession I believe in - making THEM seceede from OUR land, from offices and positions of authority, from legislating, etc.

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Stated very well...I agree 150%...An compelling option elected officials should entertain...The only problem is they won’t see it, nor will they want to look for it...

My personal feeling they ALL need to be shown the door...Even the ones we like...Because at the end of the day there are more qualified (conservative) people that participate on this website to fill the ranks in ALL positions from the top down...

What is ironic is that I know there has got to be an “Anti-Stevie_d_64” on websites like the DailyKos, or some other lefty website who will say the same thing about their side of the equation...

[I Buried My Guns]

"I think the biggest differences are between rural and urban areas."

I think the biggest differences are between THE VALUES HISTORICALLY HELD BY rural and urban areas.

Values are the crux. It is values and attacks on deeply-held values that motivate a man to take up arms and risk losing everything.

[NFHale]

Noumenon, the "Killers Without COnscience" article is right on the money, and it's telling that the libs worship the ground of those in the article.

"there are those in government - and those who seek control of your government - who simply want you dead. They would kill you if they could get away with it. Why? Because you are in their way. Failing that, they would settle for taking everything you have if they felt that they could do so without being held accountable..."

That's the money shot, right there.

At the end of the day we are in a war for OUR survival with these assclowns. Marx's definition of "peace" is "absence of opposition to our goals" - that means folks like US have to be "disappeared" before they achieve their end game.

Well, quite frankly, I don't cotton too well to being "disappeared". As a matter of fact, I downright take offense to the idea that some asshole somewhere is walking around right now plotting how best to take US out, so they can have their little Utopian Orgasmfest.

As I said earlier - F***'em. They want to dance, we can dance.

We are sufficient for the day.

I'm honored to be in the company of Patriots such as yourselves.

"If we are mark'd to die, we are enough to do our Country loss, and if to live, the fewer the men, the greater the share of honor..."

Nobody lives forever.

[B4Ranch]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2724518/posts?page=10#10

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2736714/posts?page=28#28

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2736714/posts?page=32#32

[B4Ranch]

A clearer view of the United Nations and its intentions.

The creation of the League of Nations was the first international attempt to start a New World Order. Since President Wilson wouldn’t join, it failed. Then came along the United Nations which Alger Hiss, a charter member of the Council on Foreign Relations coaxed us to join in 1945.

World regionalism is spelled out clearly in the U.N. Charter, Chapters 8 through 11, using such terms as “regional arrangements, intergovernmental agreements, and metropolital areas.” Advocates of one-world socialism have already divided the world into 85 regions for policing purposes. In adopting the U.N. Charter, Congress has established the Charter as the Supreme Law of the land (Fugi v. State of California, 1950-52).

“The old world order changed when this war-storm broke. The old international order passed away as suddenly, as unexpectedly, and as completely as if it had been wiped out by a gigantic flood, by a great tempest, or by a volcanic eruption. The old world order died with the setting of that day’s sun and a new world order is being born while I speak, with birth-pangs so terrible that it seems almost incredible that life could come out of such fearful suffering and such overwhelming sorrow.” — Nicholas Murray Butler, in an address delivered before the Union League of Philadelphia, Nov. 27, 1915

“The peace conference has assembled. It will make the most momentous decisions in history, and upon these decisions will rest the stability of the new world order and the future peace of the world.” -M. C. Alexander, Executive Secretary of the American Association for International Conciliation, in a subscription letter for the periodical International Conciliation (1919)

“If there are those who think we are to jump immediately into a new world order, actuated by complete understanding and brotherly love, they are doomed to disappointment. If we are ever to approach that time, it will be after patient and persistent effort of long duration. The present international situation of mistrust and fear can only be corrected by a formula of equal status, continuously applied, to every phase of international contacts, until the cobwebs of the old order are brushed out of the minds of the people of all lands.” — Dr. Augustus O. Thomas, president of the World Federation of Education Associations (August 1927), quoted in the book “International Understanding: Agencies Educating for a New World”
(1931)

“... when the struggle seems to be drifting definitely towards a world social democracy, there may still be very great delays and disappointments before it becomes an efficient and beneficent world system. Countless people ... will hate the new world order ... and will die protesting against it. When we attempt to evaluate its promise, we have to bear in mind the distress of a generation or so of malcontents, many of them quite gallant and graceful-looking people.” — H. G. Wells, in his book entitled “The New World Order” (1939)

“The term Internationalism has been popularized in recent years to cover an interlocking financial,
political, and economic world force for the purpose of establishing a World Government. Today
Internationalism is heralded from pulpit and platform as a ‘League of Nations’ or a ‘Federated Union’ to which the United States must surrender a definite part of its National Sovereignty. The World
Government plan is being advocated under such alluring names as the ‘New International Order,’ ‘The
New World Order,’ ‘World Union Now,’ ‘World Commonwealth of Nations,’ ‘World Community,’ etc. All the terms have the same objective; however, the line of approach may be religious or political according to the taste or training of the individual.” — excerpt from A Memorial to be Addressed to the House of Bishops and the House of Clerical and Lay Deputies of the Protestant Episcopal Church in General Convention (October 1940)

“In the first public declaration on the Jewish question since the outbreak of the war, Arthur Greenwood, member without portfolio in the British War Cabinet, assured the Jews of the United States that when victory was achieved an effort would be made to found a new world order based on the ideals of ‘justice and peace.’” -excerpt from article entitled “New World Order Pledged to Jews,” in the New York Times (October 1940)