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To: Beckwith; Seizethecarp
You realize that you are doing exactly what Team Obama wants you to do — chase ghosts.

I am well-aware of your site and signed up as a paying member. However, when I discovered that all "new" material was available to all readers, I rescinded my membership.

If you think Team Obama wants anyone to apply intelligence and reasoning to the birth certificate and related issues, you are quite wrong. They want people to blindly accept what is said and what documents which they have provided, including the COLB and the latest BC.

Intelligence, rather than obstinacy will get you to the most likely answer. One key area to be aware of is when multiple different documents of different provenances corroborate each other. For example, all BCs and related documents agree on the date and time of Obama's birth, even though they differ as to the location of birth. There are two possibilities: 1) They reflect the actual circumstances of his birth or 2) They are all copied from the same underlying document. My money is on the first hypothesis.

Similarly, a large number of accounts agree with the date and place of the wedding. Are we not to apply sound reason to this unlikely coincidence, also?

There is no reason why belief in the existence of the Obama marriage would help the Obama team in the least. In fact, as we know, in "Dreams," Obama's voice (Bill Ayers?) says that he is not certain that they were ever married. Michelle O has made similar statements.

What is important is to have a commitment to discovering the truth by the analysis of evidence and the application of sound reasoning. To do this, one needs to examine a wide range material, some of it original documents, some of it statements from trusted individuals, and some of it just plain hearsay. Then, when the facts disagree (which seems to happen all too often) you must come up with the best possible answer.

One thing I find galling is the widespread reference to Obama-related pictures. As we have discovered, the working assumption should be that the imaged are photoshopped. If, as in the case of some people on this board, you rely on photos of unknown provenance rather then a University of Washington transcript which has been acquired, in exact duplicate, in a demonstrated fashion all from the same source, you have real problems and truly serve the needs of Team Obama and make us look like fools.

I have no stake in whether they were truly married or not. I have a stake in finding the right answer. Until I see you reject some of the poppycock theories about switched babies, Stanley Ann as a nanny, changes to the well-documented timeline of Obama Sr's arrival and departure to the US, and one random quote about Anna Toots from that great work of fiction, "Dreams," you have zero credibility with me.

346 posted on 06/13/2011 9:39:35 AM PDT by Fractal Trader
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To: Fractal Trader
Until I see you reject some of the poppycock theories about switched babies, Stanley Ann as a nanny, changes to the well-documented timeline of Obama Sr's arrival and departure to the US, and one random quote about Anna Toots from that great work of fiction, "Dreams," you have zero credibility with me.

If you were a subscriber and/or visitor to The Obama File, you would know I have never expressed an opinion on "switched babies, changes to the well-documented timeline of Obama Sr's arrival and departure to the US, and random quote about Anna Toots from that great work of fiction, "Dreams."

I do have this entry about Stanley Ann as an "au pair," which is French for "nanny."

Page 123, Dreams...

You made all that up. It's not true. That makes you a liar, as well as a fantasist.

363 posted on 06/13/2011 11:01:45 AM PDT by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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