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To: Elendur

The rubes are the majority of the voting public. If your strategic goal is winning elections, you need tactics that match.

While *you* personally can walk and chew gum, as the Birther saying goes, that doesn’t fly in America. For instance, Ron Paul can walk and chew gum with his views on the Fed and his views on foreign policy. Once you get into what most people consider ‘kooky’, then your other, better ideas are tainted and discredited.

As far as the War Powers Act, there’s no outcry because most people in this country don’t understand why the Constitution was written the way it was, and they don’t care. Appealing to Constitutional purity is wasted breath; most Americans don’t care. If you want to win elections, you’re going to have to look at the battlefield for what it is, and play the game by the current rules.

What you guys aren’t grasping is that you live in a country where Obama can show up with a crayon birth certificate, a 5 digit social security number, and Martian antennae growing out of his head, and he’ll still be reelected if we can’t persuade enough people to vote for someone else based on the issues of the day.

The Constitution isn’t a magic scroll; it’s an idea. Obama’s not banished back to the netherworld if you cast the right spell from Article II to break the curse of the Non-Natural Born Citizen.

Thus, the only thing that matters now is to beat Obama using ideas that the mainstream of America finds palatable. Obama is very vulnerable there. He’s not vulnerable on the NBC angle. Pursuing it further makes us all look like fringe theorists, and damages our chances to win elections.

If your goal is not to win elections, but to be right, then to sit around in terror when you realize that too few Americans care about the Constitution to remove someone who openly violates it, then be my guest.


29 posted on 05/25/2011 9:03:16 AM PDT by Steel Wolf ("There are moderate Muslims, but Islam itself is not moderate." - Ibn Warraq)
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To: Steel Wolf
Pursuing the BC issues is now about pursuing barry bassturd's likely criminal behavior sprinkled throughout his past. No court in this now twisted Republic is going to remove a sitting president over his failure to meet Constitutional eligibility. We see that clearly in all the 'no standing' rulings preventing his eligibility from being question by the Judicial branch.

My question to folks like you who understand this reality: what is the actual mechanism which could be activated to remove a sitting president who is guilty of criminal acts, some of which are present day acts? If the House musters bills of impeachment, the Senate under Democrat rule can deny the trial on the grounds that he is not legally the elected president, but that doesn't remove him at that point.

32 posted on 05/25/2011 9:15:33 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Steel Wolf
Thus, the only thing that matters now is to beat Obama using ideas that the mainstream of America finds palatable. Obama is very vulnerable there. He’s not vulnerable on the NBC angle. Pursuing it further makes us all look like fringe theorists, and damages our chances to win elections.
If your goal is not to win elections, but to be right, then to sit around in terror when you realize that too few Americans care about the Constitution to remove someone who openly violates it, then be my guest.

Because of our god-curséd two-party system, you are right in two ways. One good. The other not-so-good.

(1) Obama can be beaten on the issues. That's the good.
(2)The not-so-good is that we stand an excellent chance of winding up with RINOS who will not reverse the tide of Socialism. They will just slow it down (Fabian Socialism) and promise to do it better, faster, and cheaper than those corrupt, anti-family, queer loving Democrats.

The fight is for the votes of the non-ideological, the illogical, and the politically ignorant.

33 posted on 05/25/2011 9:18:05 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (We live in America's "Awkward" Era. Too late to fix the country. To early to start shooting.)
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To: Steel Wolf; Hotlanta Mike

you make excellent points. maybe you are correct. (and, i have read posts by you on unrelated topics, that i admired.)
...and i agree talking about “smiley faces” makes us look like lunatics. and i am not a techie, and i avoid the complex “layers” etc. i agree, that is not going to convince most people.
Sadly, you and Kenny Bunk are correct about most Americans.
...but, they don’t understand the issues either. MOST Americans still BELIEVE there is a Social Security Lockbox! and if you try to explain to them, that that money has already been SPENT by congress, their eyes glaze over.
The mainstream media, has controlled the dialogue on most issues. HOW would you suggest anything can be done?
that same majority you speak of, are too busy watching “American Idol”, to catch more than a sound bite, of any issue. ...so we might was well resign ourselves to becoming the next Greece.
...but, people ARE curious about tabloid stuff. If i keep it simple, and tell someone, about Obama’s Connecticut SSN, or about Virinia Sunahara, they get curious. If i point out, it is logical to adopt a young child in a new marriage (i’m getting ready to do it myself), they understand that... they believe he was Barry Soetoro in Indonesian schools, especially when i show them the registration photo. THEN, i ask them, how and when did his name legally get changed back to Obama ?
when i show them, these 2 SIMPLE photos, they understand it, a lot better than trying to explain how Obama is drowning us in debt.

ml/nj has it here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2720608/posts?page=23#23
http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=186343

If you have a better plan, to teach people about issues they don’t understand and don’t care about, in the face of overwhelming mainstream media propaganda, i am all ears!!!

and discouraging and criticising people like Butterdezilliion, Red Steel, Bluecat6, ml/nj, Robinmasters, etc., doesn’t accomplish anything. they are patriots!

...until you give me a better way of reaching people, then, i quietly use those photos as a hook, to get people CURIOUS. THEN, i can give them some facts.
...maybe futile. but i will continue to “light one candle...”


36 posted on 05/25/2011 9:34:00 AM PDT by Elendur (the hope and change i need: Sarah / Colonel West in 2012)
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