“Jesus did not die on Calvary, but that was merely a “manifestation” 2000 years ago....
I am sure that there is forgiveness for Brother Camping”
Uh, I doubt it, if he truly said the above. We are saved by our faith. Kooky idea don’t cut it.”
Discussion of Camping’s “Christ did not really die 2000 years ago” here http://www.scionofzion.com/how_many_times_did_christ_die.htm
“Later in this study, we will learn that the Lord Jesus Christ died twice in connection with the atonement. He died before the foundation of the world as the Lamb that was slain (Revelation 13:8). He also died when He was on the cross, demonstrating to us and the world how He paid for our sins.”
“The first surprising information that we learn as we carefully study all that God teaches us in the Bible about the atonement is that it was completely finished before God created mankind. In Revelation 13:8, we read of “…the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.” We read in Hebrews 4:3:
For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world”. - From “To God be the Glory” Pages 25,32ff
Camping’s teaching that Jesus had already fully suffered for the sins of the elect prior to the foundation of the world, based on Hebrews 4:3, ignores the use of that phraseology elsewhere, including Luke 11:50, which reads “That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation”.
Although Jesus indeed already existed before the foundation of the world, his prophets did not. So, the “foundation of the world” phraseology merely indicates something that God ordained, and as His Word is always true it can be considered to have happened even before it happens on earth as a matter of time and space.
Furthermore, note that God is addressing the future when He speaks to the serpent in Genesis 3:15, “And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.” This event occurred after the foundation of the world, and if Jesus had already suffered on behalf of the elect Satan’s head would already be bruised.
Moreover, Hebrews 9:26 and 1 Peter 3:18, among others, puts to rest the idea that Christ suffered for man’s sins before coming to earth:
“but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.”
“For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: “ Thanks be to God.
More on Camping here: http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/Camping.html