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Wesley J. Smith: Futile Care Theory: The Dangers of Rushing to End Treatment
First Things/Secondhand Smoke ^ | 5/14/11 | Wesley J. Smith

Posted on 05/14/2011 10:42:04 AM PDT by wagglebee

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To: BykrBayb

As they say apples and oranges


21 posted on 05/14/2011 12:11:19 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: utherdoul

The insurance companies write the policies themselves. If they can’t afford to provide the service they’re selling, we should not kill their customers to make the insurance companies solvent.


22 posted on 05/14/2011 12:12:12 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: montanajoe

What the difference? Why do you think it’s okay to kill disabled people and people with terminal conditions, but not healthy people? What makes the healthy people more deserving of humane treatment?


23 posted on 05/14/2011 12:14:11 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: utherdoul; Dr. Brian Kopp; trisham; DJ MacWoW; little jeremiah; Coleus; narses; Lesforlife; ...
We have to face the cold hard fact that there isn’t enough money in the insurance industry or in the government to keep every person alive. The best thing to do if a person cannot pay for care and is unlikely to recover is to make sure the death is quick and dignified.

So, you not only support death panels you also support euthanizing people?

If god wants the person to pull through they will one way or the other.

First of all God is spelled with a capital G, those who believe in Him rarely make the mistake that you did twice in your post.

Secondly, God has given us medical knowledge.

No sane person would want his corpse to be kept warm to kill another individual who has a chance at life.

Now you seem to be a "duty to die" regardless of financial ability, is that correct?

As stated if the individual can pay for his own bed through family or personal savings then there isn’t a problem.

Why? You just declared that a "sane person" would want to die.

24 posted on 05/14/2011 12:15:25 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: BykrBayb

I replied to the premise of the article. YOU made an assumption based entirely on something I did not say and you expect me to defend your wild off topic assumption.


25 posted on 05/14/2011 12:21:59 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: BykrBayb

I replied to the premise of the article. YOU made an assumption based entirely on something I did not say and you expect me to defend your wild off topic assumption.


26 posted on 05/14/2011 12:22:03 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: montanajoe

You took the position that the person or entity that pays the bills is entitled to decide who lives and who dies. I inquired if you extend that to all people, or just the disabled and dying. You indicated there is a difference. Please explain what that difference is. What makes healthy people more deserving of humane treatment than disabled and dying people?


27 posted on 05/14/2011 12:29:20 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: BykrBayb
I'm not saying anyone is entitled to decide who lives or dies I my view only God does that and there is nothing anyone can do to change that.

I am pointing out in response to the OP the fact that if the person or or their family cant pay for the care then a insurance company or government bureaucrat is going to decide.

That's the system like it or not...

28 posted on 05/14/2011 12:42:53 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: BykrBayb
I'm not saying anyone is entitled to decide who lives or dies I my view only God does that and there is nothing anyone can do to change that.

I am pointing out in response to the OP the fact that if the person or or their family cant pay for the care then a insurance company or government bureaucrat is going to decide.

That's the system like it or not...

29 posted on 05/14/2011 12:43:03 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: montanajoe

Why should they be allowed to decide not to fulfill the terms of the contract they wrote and entered into, resulting in the killing of the other party to the contract? What is it about the condition of the other party to the contract that you find makes the contract non-binding on the part of the insurance companies? What is the point in paying insurance premiums if the simple act of turning in a claim voids the contract?


30 posted on 05/14/2011 12:52:51 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: montanajoe; wagglebee

Decide what? Is that like a woman’s right to choose, where you never specify what she’s choosing? Say what you mean, without euphemisms or vague references to choice. What you are advocating is the death panels’ right to decide who lives and who dies by denying humane treatment to those who need it, even after they’ve already paid for it.


31 posted on 05/14/2011 12:59:27 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: BykrBayb
Obviously you have been fortunate enough to have never had a major illness of accident. Insurance companies exist to benefit their shareholders not their policyholders. I had a major claim and I was laughed at by the claims representatives when I made your exact arguments..
32 posted on 05/14/2011 1:06:27 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: BykrBayb
I'm not advocating anything I'm simply stating a fact.
33 posted on 05/14/2011 1:09:53 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: montanajoe
Obviously you have been fortunate enough to have never had a major illness of accident.

Obviously. If I had, then of course I would agree that the insurance company should have turned down my claim and had me euthanized.

34 posted on 05/14/2011 1:41:03 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: montanajoe

There’s another factor at play.

There is a continuum of care between hooked up to all the bells and whistles, and starving/thirsting/medicating to death.


35 posted on 05/14/2011 2:05:02 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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Pinged from Terri Dailies


36 posted on 05/15/2011 10:56:24 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Wesley J Smith is an Orthodox Christian!

http://www.aoiusa.org/blog/2009/04/wesley-j-smith-orthodox-advocate-for-human-“exceptionalism”/


37 posted on 06/02/2011 8:46:02 PM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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