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To: Tennessee Nana; OldDeckHand

Something of interest maybe.

Obama is not on record as every acknowledging “Obama Jr.” until AFTER the divorce is done. Specifically in April of 1964 when he filed an I-539. He had to file these to stay in the US annually. In 1961, 62 and 63 he never acknowledged “Obama Jr” at in these forms. He did indicate he was married to “Anna S. Dunham” on the form he filled out August 31, 1961 (27 days after the supposed birth).

The 1964 form list “Ann Obama” as ‘separated wife’ - a lie since the divorce was final....or was it a lie? He never signed anything in the divorce papers...he may not have been aware it was complete. Also in his April 1964 I-539 filing he does list “Barack Obama Jr.” as a child.

The divorce granted full rights of “Barack H. Obama II” to Duhnam and only visitation rights to Obama Sr. This was finalized on March 20, 1064.

The writer of the article is somewhat behind when he indicates they ‘separated two years later’. The were never together as husband and wife. This is all now settled history.

Obama Sr. probably knocked up SAD. Mom and dad (Dunhams) likely threw a fit. Shipped SAD off to Washington. The February may or may not be ‘real’ but it was not one of love - history is now clear on that.

SAD is stays in Seattle until Obama Sr. leaves. This is also historically confirmed. And then, maybe because there was no real marriage in Feburary of 1961 something is needed to create it and to lock in Obama Sr. as the father - the divorce. Only THEN does Obama Sr. even acknowledge his son in any paperwork - the April 1964 I-539.

Given the known paper trails and the gaps it would seem this is a plausible timeline:

- Obama and SAD do what college students do in late 1960.
- SAD becomes with child and it is obvious by February 1961.
- Some sort of wedding to try to legitimize everything is done somehow, someway...maybe a ‘tribal wedding’. But since no official records exist if it did happen it was not registered with the State. And maybe Obama senior does not know what or why it is happening (if it really happened of course) - see below.
- Parents ship her her back to family in Seattle shortly their after. After all Madilynn is officer at bank. This is a potential career killer for her.
- Obama goes on with this life. I knows he did a wedding to SAD. Maybe he does even know why...since he fails to list supposed new son on August 31, 1961 I-539 form.
- Birth on August 4, 1961. Betting odds - Washington or Canada. Grandma registers non-Hawaii birth in Hawaii.
- SAD and child are “kept” in Seattle until Obama Sr. leave Hawaii for good so that he can not and does not lay claim of any type to child. Again, he may not even know of the child - nothing of substance indicates he does (until 1964).
- SAD and child go to Hawaii in 1962 AFTER BHO Sr. is gone.
- In 1964 the ‘marriage’ now needs to be ‘cleaned up’ for whatever reason - Obama Sr is on his last leg at Harvard, or SAD meets Lolo at U of H, start of a new year, who knows. But in January of 1964 the divorce action starts. Obama II is cleared documented as being born on August 4, 1961 and being SAD and BHO Sr’s child. The divorce is the most official record of Obama II’s birth for the next 46 years. It became ‘the anchor’ to solidify the past into a nice, neat package. As it was done in the early 60s in the US with ‘illegitimate births’.

- Obama Senior then tries to leverage his marriage to SAD and his now firmly established child to stay in the US one more year by documenting both in his April 1964 I-539 form. It does not work. He is shipped back to Kenya in August of 1964.

The Kenya story is BS. When she got knocked up - mom and dad ‘fixed it’. They shipped he back ‘home’ to family and kept her away from the trouble maker until he was gone. Could she have been knocked up by someone else? Possibly but Obama Sr. now know MO fits this. Was the February 1961 marriage a sham? Possibly, maybe Obama agreed to it without knowing SAD was pregnant. Then he could leverage (which he appeared to do in August 1961) in his I-539 filing. But that same filing failed to list Obama Jr. Did he not know of the child? Maybe not.

There is nothing with Obama Senior signature on any document showing he knew ANYTHING about a child until 1964. I am guessing he may not have. So parental rights???? You have to acknowledge the child to have those!


65 posted on 05/10/2011 9:18:45 AM PDT by bluecat6 ( "A non-denial denial. They doubt our heritage, but they don't say the story is not accurate.")
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To: bluecat6
"You have to acknowledge the child to have those!"

His signature is on the birth certificate. How can it be reasonably argued that isn't an "acknowledgement" of the child's birth?

69 posted on 05/10/2011 9:25:17 AM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: bluecat6
Nice work on the timeline.

It just occurred to me - in 1961, it was VERY common for pregnant girls to "visit an aunt" in another city so their condition would not be noticed. A trip to Seattle would fit nicely with this very common practice.

I'm not sure that BHO knocked up SAD. I think she got pregnant, knew (or feared) the child would be black, THEN had sex with BHO and convinvced him to "marry" her. When he found out she was 4 months pregnant two months after they had sex, he split. For good.

He never acknowledged paternity until, desperate to extend his visa, he mentioned Barry (in 1964).

I think he always doubted paternity, or knew he couldn't be the father.

84 posted on 05/10/2011 9:47:11 AM PDT by Jim Noble (The Constitution is overthrown. The Revolution is betrayed.)
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To: bluecat6; Tennessee Nana; OldDeckHand
The Kenya story is BS.

IF that's the case, please explain the reason for the "sanitizing" of SAD's Passport application during that time, hmmm???

97 posted on 05/10/2011 10:15:02 AM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: bluecat6
I think you're correct on everything except that Sr. wasn't so dumb as not to realize he was in the middle of some marriage ceremony or the need for it. He probably didn't list Barry on his paperwork until ‘64 because he didn't know if the child lived to birth or what it's name was or if it was a boy or girl. None of his U of HI friends knew anything about Stanley Ann or the baby because the Dunhams had shipped her 3000 miles away and kept her there just as you said to keep him from claiming their grandchild. With the divorce, INS would demand a full accounting and that's when he could also use the anchor to extend his stay. Before the divorce, imagine what the INS would have said if he told them he'd gotten some 17 year old white girl preggers, they had a shotgun wedding, he was so undesirable that her family shipped her off, and he has no idea or cares if the kid is alive and well. If that little story had come out, the INS would have yanked the welcome mat from under his feet years before. It was in Sr.’s best interest to keep mum on that little escapade.
165 posted on 05/10/2011 12:16:10 PM PDT by bgill (Kenyan Parliament - how could a man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: bluecat6

You’re assuming that Stanley Ann is actually Zero’s mother.


258 posted on 05/10/2011 4:24:43 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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