[Partisan Gunslinger]

That rural areas generally require more self-sufficiency, and that urban areas often exploit welfare programs, unions, get-out-the-vote techniques, etc., is a correlation to conservative and liberal values, not causation.

You're arguing with youself. You admitted I was right, that rural areas require more self-sufficiency and conservatism, and that's what I said that our problem is rural vs urban.

Myself and my large extended family are very conservative, and we all always lived in or around Philadelphia or other large NE metropolises.

Are you trying to tell me Philadelphia is a conservative stronghold? lol Anecdotal evidence means nothing, there are exceptions to be found everywhere. Stats do matter, and the maps don't lie.

[phi11yguy19]

You admitted I was right, that rural areas require more self-sufficiency and conservatism

Reading comprehension fail. I said you're mixing correlation and causation, and i never said rural areas require "more conservatism". I know plenty of self-sufficient, yet bleeding heart libs that live hours from anything remotely "urban". Geez, just look at Canada!