Posted on 05/01/2011 7:36:43 AM PDT by jmaroneps37
good research bump.
Truly. And we thought we did last November. Point being, it doesn't matter what we focus on, because it seems we're powerless to do anything. So what harm does it do to, then, to speculate on Obama's qualification, or lack thereof?
Jerome Corsi has at least attempted to. He claims that forms were NOT pre-numbered, that the certificates were stamped at the moment processed; and that therefore the non-sequential issue is a smoking gun.
At the moment, I don't know what evidence he has of numbering at processing time. Doing things in that way seems counterintuitive to me. I would frankly more expect pre-printed forms. It's simpler.
I also, to be honest, don't have 100% confidence in the quality of Corsi's research. Why? Because he seems to be prominently behind the $2 million spent claim, which I haven't been able to find any real evidence to support.
So for this particular issue, a lot hinges on whether Corsi has some real hard evidence of stamping at processing time. Hopefully we'll see soon what he's got.
“At first I thought the sequential number problem was solved by the Left’s pointing out that the numbers where issued from two different locations, but that argument goes out the window with the new information that both the twins and Obama where born in the same hospital. “
It’s been known/asserted for YEARS that Obama was born at Kapiolani hospital.
Frankly, everything on the long-form Birth Certificate just confirms previously known facts. All it does is further lay to rest rather dubious claims and doubts.
The INS reports that are an independen source stating Obama’s birth in Honolulu on Aug 4, is further confirmation, along with the newspaper announcements, etc.
“because there could not have been two different issuing officesat the same hospital”
Were you there at the time? It would be quite natural that Obama and Nordyke twins have very similar numbers, and there were different registrars signing and multiple reasons for the order being what it was, even if there was one office.
The document verifies the real facts of his birth and its over except in the minds of people trying to keep a dead theory alive.
Great comparison Mike! To bad a few give-ups, (or just flat out hussein lovers possibly), don’t or won’t see the history lesson watergate provided. Little by little, week after week until Nixon could fight no longer.
What is your source for this?
The only comparison was in the words used in a post to me. They were exactly word for word what I have heard truthers say time and time again.
So far the general populace couldn’t give s**t one about the issue.
OUT OF ORDER: Obama’s Certificate Number Is Based On Geography, Not Chronological Birth Order!
The clues were there and search engines are our friends.
Let me know if I'm right, Steve.
I was not saying that you are akin to a truther, I was saying that some of the same rhetorical devices show up when talking to either a truther or a birther. Of course the truthers are nuts but you must understand that especially now with the recent document release by the Obama admin......some folks (middle of the road types) might be saying the same thing about you and then the G.O.P. gets tainted in the process.
“It will never be over, because you can’t stop a conspiracy theory with talk, facts, or a message from God Almighty.”
This week’s events have proven you correct.
3 years of asking for this very document and now they have it ... they demand something else.
That’s nice. It’s not really an answer to my questions but it was a cute reply.
“Nothing will dissuade people who want to either flog this issue to discredit Obama and/or make a buck off it, or those who simply want to believe that the man is not a natural born citizen.”
Right. WND and Corsi have a book to sell, they aren’t going to fold their tents and go home *now*.
The answer given by SCOTUS in Wong Kim Ark decision in 1890s, and controlling law since, is - Yes. He's been an American citizen since birth.
“If Obama’s bc is real then why do people who claim that lose every debate, argument and discussion in such as uneven and embarrassing way?”
In what real and serious debate has the “Obama was born in Honolulu” claim been disproven?
I must have missed that.
On the contrary, there hasnt even been a debate. Dubious birther claims, usually based on half-the-facts, are not met with debate in the media, just ridicule.
“Obongo’s BC questions arose because of lies and inconsistencies and things that don’t add up. NOTHING about his past makes sense or adds up.”
that’s exactly what the ‘truthers’ said too. They just had ‘questions’ and are convinced the real story is not the official story, etc.
You betcha,
When you look at the Birth announcements, they are listed in groups, most likely by Hospital, then non-hospital regions.
You will see a group from 07/30 through to 08/05.
Then the next group, with births from 07/30 through to 08/05
0bama’s Birth announcement is listed at the bottom, within the smallest group.
The Federal Government requests the regional grouping so that small rural areas are captured for statistical purposes
The Hospital/region proposal fits the presentation of all Birth announcements.
Now, 0bama was born Friday 04 1924 hrs, the Nordykes Saturday 05 1417 hours.
0bama is registered Aug 8, the Nordykes Aug 11. Reason is unknown, but U K L Lee did not register the Nordykes.
Finally, the Birth announcements are published weekly (?)
The Nordyke announcement, and all births for week ending Aug 05 (?) are published the week following 0bama’s birth announcement.
Still too many questions to confirm 0bama’s paper’s are correct.
I am sure 0bama has a perfectly good explanation for all of these questions (sarc)
Actually, 0bama must show all records from Birth, before we can apply law and precedent.
0bama’s records will satisfy all questions.
Well, after 3 years the BC is released and does not contain embarrassing information.
Really, what took so long?
U K L Lee, the person who registered 0bama’s birth, appears to register births at Wahiawa, 22 miles away.
The data within 0bama’s certificate is inconsistent
Some on here think stamping the number on at processing time is already established. I don't know, but for such an important document, pre-numbered forms would have given them better control in 1961 than sending out identical blank forms to be numbered once actually used to record a birth.
Lots more room for fraud with identical blank forms than with pre-numbered forms (and not necessarily related to an Obama BC on that).
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