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To: Texas Songwriter
So you do believe in a transcendent God? If you do not believe in God why do you complain about something which does not exist?

I don't believe in Allah either. I poke fun at you and them because you attack us. I didn't start this thread. This thread was started by a born Againer attacking Atheists.

Morality,....in the atheists' world cannot be accounted for. If so, justify immorality/morality in a Godless world.

Morality without God is easy to account for. It is the Prisoners Dilemma. The basic idea is that if you help others and work together you will be much better off. That is the basic "moral" principle that underlies all morality. In other words it is simply selfishness coupled with the understanding that helping and cooperating with others gets you more of whatever you want. That is why it is immoral to lie, steal, murder, etc. Those are all uncooperative acts, hence immoral.

Usually the man with the biggest guns' idea of morality prevailed, until a larger gun comes along.

Might makes Right violates the principle of cooperation, sadly it is often correct. Elohim gives many examples of that principle in his book, where he employs it against his enemies. Might Makes Right is obviously the premier Christian and Muslim morality.

Have you actually read the book and the theories that you are desperately trying to defend? Morality doesn't come from there.

105 posted on 05/01/2011 4:10:28 PM PDT by LeGrande (I believe in liberty; but I do not believe in liberty enough to want to force it upon anyone.)
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To: LeGrande

You say you account for morality, but you only offer a vague definition. Account or justify them epistemologically and ontologically. A description of vageries is inadequet to warrant your belief. I am asking you to justify warranted true belief.


108 posted on 05/01/2011 4:44:23 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter ( ma)
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To: LeGrande; Texas Songwriter
The basic idea is that if you help others and work together you will be much better off. That is the basic "moral" principle that underlies all morality. In other words it is simply selfishness coupled with the understanding that helping and cooperating with others gets you more of whatever you want. That is why it is immoral to lie, steal, murder, etc. Those are all uncooperative acts, hence immoral.

Ah, morality by consensus and communism. How typically atheist of you.

133 posted on 05/01/2011 9:07:53 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: LeGrande
This thread was started by a born Againer attacking Atheists.

Did you read the thread title? This thread is about atheists attacking atheists.

146 posted on 05/02/2011 1:06:36 AM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Evolution!)
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