Posted on 04/30/2011 5:50:03 AM PDT by kindred
When the Rapture of the Church finally takes place - in which Almighty God the Son calls out His body (saints and ambassadors) - it (The Rapture) will be a wondrous sign unto the apostate western world more so than a sign unto the whole world. For all had better be prepared, for Almighty God's "Day of Wrath" is now at hand (2 Thess. 2:3-12)!
"All these are the beginning of sorrows (birth pangs) Matt. 24:8".
The official commencement of this horrific seven year period will be the breaking of the 1st seal (i.e., the "Confirming of the Covenant" - Dan. 9:27) by Almighty God’s Lamb (i.e., The Lord Jesus Christ) in Heaven (Rev. 6:1). It is at this precise moment that the man of lawlessness (i.e., the anti-Christ) will be revealed unto the entire world (2 Thess. 2: 3-12; Rev. 6:2). This revealing of the Anti-Christ and the commencement of this seven year tribulation period will begin when this man (i.e., the Anti-Christ) adds his position of great power and authority to a covenant with Israel on the behalf of Israel’s defeated enemies (Ezek. 38:8,11-12, Dan. 9: 27). Israel will sign this covenant from a position of strength, not weakness (Ezek 38: 8). Israel will then have rest and dwell in their land in safety because they have eradicated their border enemies (Ezek. 38:8,11-12, Rev. 11:3-7). This position of power does not mean that Israel's heart is right with Almighty God, for it will not be (Rev. 11:8). Israel at this time will also have the super natural protection of Almighty God’s two witnesses who possess Almighty God's Divine authority and are extremely more powerful and than the anti - Christ and his global confederacies (Rev. 11:3-6).
"This revealing of the Anti-Christ and the commencement of this seven year tribulation period will begin when this man (i.e., the Anti-Christ) adds his position of great power and authority to a covenant with Israel on the behalf of Israel’s defeated enemies"
These two lamp stands of Almighty God (Moses and Elijah) will preach salvation in Jesus Messiah, re- institute the temple, its sacrifices and its priesthood. They will preach repentance and testify to ALL that the establishment of the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand. These two will then prepare the remnant of believing Jews and a chosen 144,000 Jewish men - from the 12 tribes of Israel - (Matt. 24:14, Rev. 7:4-8, 11:13) for their global ministry unto All of the nations of the earth and their Messiah’s glorious and imminent return and Kingdom. It will be at this time -the first 3 1/2 years of the tribulation period - that the WORLD will seek every and any opportunity to root out and destroy these two Divinely appointed vessels of Almighty God... all to no avail (Mal. 4:4-6, Rev. 7,14:1-4,11:3-8).
"Israel will sign this covenant from a position of strength not weakness"
It will be at this time - at the beginning of this seven year period, while Israel dwells in their land in absolute safety - that the WHOLE GENTILE WORLD will be trodden down by the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse (Rev. 6:1-8). It will be after their catastrophic ride through out the entire world that the world will lose ¼ of its total population (1.75 billion) to war, famine and pestilence and will cause global markets to be wiped out and implode (Rev 6:1-8). Following the Four Horsemen’s ride of doom and the opening of the fifth seal will be the opening of the sixth seal in which a GREAT GLOBAL EARTHQUAKE will gain the world’s full attention. As the heavens depart as a scroll and EVERY mountain and island are moved out of their places it will send absolute terror into the hearts of every human being alive (Jew and Gentile) on planet earth (Rev. 6:12-17).
"It will be after their catastrophic ride through out the entire world that the world will lose ¼ of its total population (1.75 billion) to war, famine and pestilence and will cause global markets to be wiped out and implode"
For it is now - at this time - that the inhabitants of the world will FULLY comprehend indeed that they are now in the long predicted “Day of the Lord” and His “Day of Almighty God's Wrath"! (Rev. 6:15-17)
The Trumpet Judgments . Following the Seal Judgments of the Lamb of God come Almighty God's "Trumpet Judgments" upon the earth’s inhabitants, its vegetation, its water (fresh and salt) and the celestial lights in the first and second heavens (Rev. 8:1-13).
As we shall see, the first four of the seven Trumpet Judgments shall strike the earth and its inhabitants with EXPONENTIAL unparalleled global cataclysmic destruction. Let us take a look!
The First Four Trumpet Judgments
The First Trumpet Judgment destroys 1/3 of all trees and grass upon the face of the earth with fire! (Rev.8:7). That comes to roughly 1.33 billion trees. 7% of all land mass is covered with grass. This area covers 9.93 million sq/km or 3.8 million sq/miles. This total area - which is given over to fire - is roughly a little bit bigger then the total land mass of the United States which would include Alaska. Can you even imagine the smoke which is generated from this global inferno?
The Second Trumpet Judgment will cause 1/3rd of all the seas of planet earth to turn to blood (Rev. 8:8-9). The fall out of this catastrophic global devastation will also cause 1/3 of all the sea creatures to perish and 1/3 of all the world's ships and their crews to perish also! Some facts:
1. 70.8 % of the earth’s surface is covered by water. 68% of that 70.8% is salt water. 1/3 of the seas or 22.6% of the world’s surface area or 122 million sq/km or 47.1 sq/miles will be decimated and turned into blood! That is roughly the size of the Pacific Ocean! (How horrific!!) Ocean info link . 2. The number of sea creatures destroyed by this trumpet judgment will be too innumerable to number. From the smallest creatures to the giant whales it must be in the trillions.
3. The total number of merchant ships that populate the world is about 55,000. This figure includes bulk carriers, dry cargo vessels, MPP's, container vessels, tankers, LPG's, LNG's, and most cruise ships; this number however does not include private vessels. The world's total number of ships of war is estimated at 4500. 1/3 of this number comes to roughly 19,833 ships that will be destroyed in this great Second Trumpet judgment not counting countless thousands of sailors lives that will also perish. Can you even envision such wondrous cataclysmic devastation that will ravish a sea mass of almost the size of the Pacific Ocean? . The Third Trumpet Judgment will cause 1/3rd of all fresh water to be poisoned with wormwood and become bitter. The effects of this judgment will cripple society and multitudes will perish because of their ingestion of these bitter waters (Rev. 8:11). In this period - due to the horrific consequences of the Seal and Trumpet Judgments - drinking water will be very scarce to come by.
3% of the entire world’s water is fresh water. 1/3 of this water supply (33% of the 3%) will be poisoned killing multitudes of the world’s inhabitants during this period.
. The Forth Trumpet Judgment will cause the celestial lights (sun, moon and stars) to dim their light 1/3rd of their normal strength (Rev. 8:12)!
Up to this point, try to comprehend - if at all possible - the unimaginable and exponential ravishing affects upon the face of the earth by these Seven Seal Judgments and the first four Trumpet Judgments. Remember, that these judgments were ordered upon the inhabitants of the earth and their planet because of their exponential godless rebellion and violence against the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God (Gen. 1:31, Isa. 24:5-6, Rom. 1:18-32). These horrific global catastrophes - including the unimaginable devastation incurred by the Four Horsemen and the wrath of man - in which 1/4th of the world’s population was slain - will bring to the fore front the unbridled passions and uncontrollable violence of humanity's godless and evil fallen heart (Ps. 7:9, Jer. 17:9-10, Matt. 15:17-20, Jude 1:10). Nothing manifests the human heart as tribulation does and reveals to all, our utter godless depravity with out the RIGHTEOUSNESS of Almighty God (Jer. 17:10, Matt 15:18-19, Gal. 5:19-21, Rev. 9:20-21).
These cataclysmic events will reveal and bring to the forefront humanities utter hatred and disdain for their Creator and His ETERNAL sovereignty (Rev. 9:20-21). As these events intensify, the world will outwardly manifest their ever hardening position towards Almighty God by their godless deeds and war against His redeemed. These will become absolutely callus, cold, hateful, unfeeling and violent towards one another (Matt. 24:12, 2 Tim. 3:1-7). Self preservation and individual survival during this time will make men violate and transgress Almighty God's absolutes and moral laws o places which they though never imaginable. Instead of repenting and crying out for Almighty God’s mercy and pardon, these will continually harden their hearts as Pharaoh of old and instead of looking into God's perfect mirror of righteousness (Psalm 19:7, Rom. 10:2-4), they will seek a scapegoat and a villain for their entire calamity (Matt. 24:8-13). Since Israel – at this time - is unaffected by these horrific Seal and Trumpet judgments that take place during the first half of this tribulation period, the world’s inhabitants will seek lash out after Almighty God’s people (i.e., Israel). Israel has always been the world's most favorite scapegoat and during this time, this hatred will reach an all new exponential level. The WORLD - at this time - will greatly unite as one man and seek to destroy Almighty God’s two witnesses (Rev. 11: 4-6) and the apple of His eye (i.e., the nation Israel) (Deut. 32:10, Psalm 17:8), but again, all to none avail (Ezek. 38:8, 11-12, Rev. 11:3-7).
"As these events intensify, the world will outwardly manifest their ever hardening position towards Almighty God by their godless deeds and war against His redeemed"
Just when the inhabitants of the earth thought that it could never get any more horrifically worse, they are about to be visited by a host of ferocious conquers and tyrannical oppressors that know absolutely no mercy and transcend the limited boundaries of time and space. It will be at this time that Almighty God will not just be passing judgment upon the sons of Adam for their exponential transgressions, but also on the fallen hosts of Heaven’s realm - the demonic legions of fallen angels. These have greatly feared and dreaded this present hour which is now at hand (Matt. 8:29, Mark 5:7, Rev. 18:2).
The Three Horrific Woes unto the Earth! . The word “Woe!”, when used by Almighty God in this alarming and dreadful way should send ice cold shivers of fright up the spine of any individual, sane or insane. So dreadful, so unimaginable, so fearfully horrifying are these last series of Trumpet Judgments that an angel is sent by Almighty God to sternly warn the remaining godless and rebellious inhabitants of planet earth of what is yet to be!
Almighty God's Divine angelic air raid siren pierces through the world's darkness warning all of the pending doom which is now at hand. . “And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhibitors of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!” (Rev 8:13)
The First Woe! . This First Woe has to do with the demonic legions which are held prisoner in the bottomless pit called “the Abyss”. These demonic hosts were placed there by Almighty God for their gross transgressions and heavenly rebellion against Almighty God and His ETERNAL sovereignty. They were most likely placed their after the Noaic flood for their excessive part in leading men to global rebellion against their Creator and his natural laws (Gen. 6, Isa. 14:12-17, Ezek. 28:12-19, Jude 1:6).
"These godless beings in their psychotic rage and violence will seek to – once again - tyrannically dominate and plague man, preparing all of humanity for the Third Woe which is to come"
These insane supernatural beings - which transcend the realms of time and space - are exponentially more powerful and intelligent than man. These godless beings in their psychotic rage and violence will seek to – once again - tyrannically dominate and plague man, preparing all of humanity for the Third Woe which is to come. These demonic legions fully comprehend the hour in which they now occupy and know that their time is dreadfully short. These released demonic hordes from the abyss prison hold – as insane and delusional as they are – know quite well of the impending judgment and doom that awaits them in the Lake of Fire forever and ever! It is their sole intention to discredit Almighty God's Word and promises and to torment and take as many humans with them to their ETERNAL abode as possible (Matt. 8:29, 25: 41, Mark 1:24, 5:7, Luke 4:34). , These demonic legions are described to us as locust. Locusts are a consuming and devouring terror to all plant life that stands before them. So devastating are locust that they can wipe out vast plush green areas of vegetation in a matter of hours. These demonic hordes are told not to devour grass, but to torment men who have NOT the seal of Almighty God (Rev. 9:4). As these demonic hosts are released from their darkened prison in the abyss they will ravish and torment the unsaved defiant inhabitants of the earth for a period of five months (Rev. 9:5). These demonic hordes are lead by a demonic general named Abaddon, whose name means destroyer! What more do you need to know about this army and very hour!
"These demonic hordes are lead by a demonic general named Abaddon, whose name means destroyer!"
These tortured inhabitants of planet earth - who are also part of Lucifer’s satanic rebellion against Almighty God - are now being violently oppressed by Satan’s legions of fallen angels and are now driven as cattle by Satan to serve his destructive diabolical plan in his final war of this age against Almighty God (Rev. 16:13-16). Since these individuals out right reject the Divine revelation revealed to them by Almighty God, His two witnesses and His ministering angels, they have now opened themselves to the demonic influences and possession of their minds (2 Cor. 4:3-4, 2 Thess. 2:9-12).
Remember, by this time – the seven Seal Judgments and the first four Trumpet Judgments have passed (Rev. 6-8). Multitudes of millions (i.e.,1.5 billion) of the earth’s inhabitants have been slain by global war, pestilence and famine, not to mention the global environmental devastation that has ravished 1/3rd of the earth's natural resources, elements, sea creatures, shipping commerce, celestial lights. It is now - after all of this global devastation - that millions of enraged demonic hordes are released from their prison hold of the abyss and will now commence terrorizing and torturing countless millions of the surviving masses of unsaved mankind for five months.
"Could things get any more horrific than this? Oh… Yes! EXPONENTIALLY WORSE!!"
At this time, one might ask himself, “Could things get any more horrific than this?” For in this brief time period since the Covenant of Peace was confirmed - which was suppose to usher in world peace and a new global age for all mankind (Dan. 9:27, 1 Thess. 5:3, Rev. 6:2) - the whole world has been ravished beyond compare and humanity laid waste on a scale unparalleled. Vexed and tormented beyond belief by man’s transgressions and demonic oppression, could things get any more worse than this? Oh… Yes! EXPONENTIALLY WORSE!!
The Second Woe!
The back ground (Rev. 6, 8; 9:1-12:1) - has now been set for introduction of the sixth Trumpet “the Second Woe!”
As the multitudes of earth’s inhabitants feel the horrific judgments and plagues of Almighty God, the destructive out working of evil men and the oppressive tyrannical torture of the demonic devouring locust of First Woe, the remaining world’s inhabitants will have to brace themselves for the Second Woe which is at hand! A demonically induced and preconceived second Global War that will set the stage for Lucifer's (Satan's) Anti Christ and 666 global state (Rev 9:15; 13).
"They will be preparing the human soil to make way for Lucifer’s last offensive plan and push, the Abomination of Desolation and 666 global state".
As the completion of the five months of the First Woe comes to a horrific conclusion, the sixth trumpet sounds (Rev. 8:13)! The heavenly command is given from the golden alter which is before Almighty God in Heaven above to release the four angels that are bound in the great Euphrates River. God’s Word states that these four immensely powerful angels are “prepared” for this exact hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men! (Rev. 9:15). It would seem that Lucifer at this time – the commander and chief of the hosts of Hell – is seeking to drastically reduce and consolidate the world’s population to be more easily managed and controlled. This "prepared” plan of mass annihilation upon the remaining inhabitants of planet earth, is to allow Lucifer to control the masses and to eliminate any opposition to his up coming lawless one and demonic agenda (Rev. 13). As these four "extremely powerful" fallen angels begin their ministry of woe and destruction upon the remaining inhabitants of planet earth, they will be preparing the human soil to make the way for Lucifer’s last offensive plan and push, the Abomination of Desolation and his 666 global state (Matt. 24:15, Rev. 13).
These four mighty demonic angels of the Euphrates river prison hold are commanded to stir up a stupendous and mighty army of 200 million men to destroy the remaining world’s population by 1/3. So STUPENDOUS and FRIGHTENING are their description and vision that it takes the breath away from the reader of this text (Rev. 9:16-19).
"As we rattle off these horrific statistics of this period one has to shudder and try to grasp the vast carnage and devastation of this first three and a half year period. How do any of the haters of reality even make it to Armageddon at all?"
During these 13 months and 25 hours another billion plus or 1/3rd of the world’s remaining inhabitants will have been destroyed (Rev. 9:15)! As we rattle off these horrific statistics of this first three and a half year period one has to shudder and try to grasp the vast carnage and devastation of this time period. How do any of the haters of reality even make it to Armageddon at all? How do any survive to the end? Note that after all of this vast devastation and global carnage that the heart of the world has not grown softer to God but adamantly and violently harder (Rev. 9:20).
"And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk: Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries (drugs), nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts" (Rev. 9:20-21).
How awesomely amazingly, wondrously sobering and exponentially tragic beyond all compare, that the inhabitants of this ravished world would still rather follow their demonic masters and their base practices after all that has come to pass. Supra Insanity, supra hysteria, supra lunacy, does not even begin to explain, nor describe these wretched souls and their mental state (2 Thess. 2: 5-12). As Almighty God cries out in His GRACE and MERCY and in His wondrous ETERNAL love to His creation: turn, repent and be saved! Yield your hearts to the perfect spiritual and natural absolutes of peace and righteousness (Isa. 32:17, James 3:18)! Receive My pardon found in My Beloved Son and have and enjoy ETERNAL life (John 3:16-17) and enjoy ME, your Creator in spirit and in truth (John 4:24) as was My design! But astonishingly, these unrepentant transgressors reply in a violent and raging harmony - to the LOVE and GRACE of Almighty God and shriek - NEVER! And as it were, give Almighty God the “branch to the nose” as they hold on to their delusion and demonic insanity with an iron clasped fist. Almighty God’s Word states:
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness (2 Thess. 2:10-12).
As the Second Woe comes to a horrific and devastating conclusion, one may ask himself, “What can ever top that?” It has been now exactly forty-two months and three and one half days since the Anti Christ’s confirming of the covenant with Israel and the world (Dan. 9:27, Rev. 6:2; 11:7-14) and since then, it has been absolute hell on earth (beyond one's comprehension) and a non stop global blood bath.
"It is at this time that Almighty God will now remove His hedge that has protected Israel for these last forty two months".
As we are now about to see, Israel (the hosts of unbelieving Jews (Rev. 11:8) will now begin to feel the chastening hand of Almighty God, the global ravishing of Satan’s hatred and the world’s wrath. As the Second Woe comes to a near completion, so does also the mighty Two Witnesses of Almighty God’s ministry. Their 1260 days are now fully accomplished and NOW the Anti Christ will own the next remaining 1260 days or 42 months of this tribulation period (Rev. 11:3; 13:1-5). The Second Woe has now come to a horrific conclusion following the Two Witnesses' resuscitation and ascension into Heaven in front of the newly reigning Anti Christ (Matt. 24:15, Rev. 13:1-5) and ALL of their global God hating enemies (Rev. 11:7-14). The exceeding terror and reality that now permeates ALL of the world's godless inhabitants because their dreaded enemies - which were destroyed by their no "savior and hero" (i.e., the Anti Christ) - have been resuscitated and have accended into Heaven (Rev.11 :7-12).
The accumulated exponential catastrophic events of these first 3 1/2 years have now set the stage and tilled the ground for Lucifer's global "666" ultra fascist state.
The “Great Tribulation" also called "Jacob’s Trouble”, HAS NOW BEGUN! With the institution of the Abomination of Desolation (Jer. 30, Dan. 12, Zech. 11. Matt. 24:15, Rev. 11:1-2, 12:9-17, 13), events for Israel and the godless world’s inhabitants will get even more exponentially worse, to the point of unimaginable proportions!
My dear friend, please try to comprehend that ALL current global events are heading to this destination and EXPONENTIALLY beyond (Rev. 19:11-21)! There is absolutely NO hope for mankind apart for their Creator and Savior. Do you have a personal relationship to Jesus Christ? All depends on this very union.
The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand!
In Revelation 20:4, tribulation saints are described: ...those who had been beheaded because of the testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
These would be people who became believers during the last 3.5 years of Daniel’s 70th week. They are also part of the first resurrection, Rev. 20:5.
The rest of the dead that will be raised after the 1000-year reign of Christ are the dead, meaning the ones who are dead in their trespasses and sins (unbelievers), whose fate is described in Rev. 20:11-15.
I have never heard of the Ignorant fisherman DJP
Thanks I will look folward to your post.
Revelation 12:17 is not dealing with the Church, HER SEED is the seed of the Children of Israel, the Church, SAINTS, are not mentioned after the end of Chapter 3.
I think that is what you are confusing, the term saints as referring to people who know who God is and have been born again, and those who get saved AFTER the Rapture
note that in all references to the Church in Revelation, thee is ZERO about the Church after Chapture 3, all the rest is about the world and Israel
Those who are called Saints in rev 14 are AFTER the tribulation has begin, hence, after the rapture.
I know about Daniel. 7 weeks:
25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. KJV
Read the above for waht is plainly says, not what some "teachers" assert is says.
How did the idea of a "sign a peace treaty" be drawn from "confirm the covenant"?
I would not be so eager to assume the "he" in verse 27 is who the pre-tribbers assert "he" is. Who put an end to sacrifice (See Hebrews 10, Mark 15:38). Whose ministry was 3.5 years? What is this "covenant" (Luke 22:20)? What was the abomination that causes desolation (Matt 23:33-39)?
Do you realize the ENTIRE assertion of a 7 year tribulation rest on this one passage? In light of the entire NT never mentioning a 7 year period, and in fact it mentions 42 months, 3.5 years and 1260 days, does that not give you pause?
17And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Revelation 12:17
" 7And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. " Revelation 13:7
10He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. Revelation 13:10
9And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. 12Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. 13And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them. Revelation 14:11-13.
Please look them up and read them yourself!
I won't address the entire argument, but I will simply challenge two points:
1. Provide scriptural evidence that clearly states only believers will see Jesus during the so-called first stage of the first resurrection.
2. Provide scriptural evidence that states believers will be gathered before unbelievers. Once we read those, we will compare them with Matthew 24:37-41, and Matthew 13:30 (36-43 for explanation).
That is your informed opinion, and subject to much debate. If you can provide scriptural evidence, I will happily agree these were not 7 literal churches, who each had different issues, that Jesus was specifically addressing.
Ephesians 4:12 and 5:23 refer to the entire (corporate) body of believers, the church, not to geographically specific bodies of believers. Contrast with Revelation chapters 1-3.
This is an example of circular reasoning. The rapture of the "church" occurs before the trib, so the saints mentioned during the trib are the trib saints, not the "church". Since the trib saints are never called the "church", this is proof they are not part of the "church", indicating the rapture must have occured earlier.
FWIW, the "church" as the entire body of Christ is not mentioned in the first 3 chapters of Rev either, but rather 7 individual churches. Since they don't exist now, is that proof the rapture has already occurred?
Arguments from silence are always on shaky ground. To wit, Mark, Luke and John never use the word "church" in their gospels (KJV), nor does Peter or Jude. Should I read something into that as well?
The Wedding of the Bride and Groom takes place in Heaven...And after the Wedding,
Actually, this says nothing about where the marriage supper of the lamb will be, or when it will be! Don't read into it, just read it.
The placement of the verse is odd, to me, anyway. Why was it not in Rev 4, when John in the spirit (not the body!) went to heaven, which is supposedly the "rapture"? In 1993 or so, when I heard Jack Van Impe confidently asserted this was the "rapture" in the book of Revelation, I began to seriously question all I had been taught (and had taught others) on the matter. I mean, really, that is it? It does not even match the other accounts! Once I beagn to read the scripture for what it says, not what I had been told it said, it all became obvious. I implore you, read it for what it says!
NOTICE...The angels will gather the elect from HEAVEN, NOT the Earth...Their destination (the elect) is the Earth...The verse is not speaking of anyone going to Heaven...
Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
The armies are the Bride, clothed in fine linen...The church...And the church rides along with Jesus to fight the (one sided) battle at Armageddon...
Do you not see the contradiction in these two statements? Either Jesus comes from Heaven with the saints in tow (Rev 19), or he appears in the clouds, where all the earth can see him, and then he sends his angels to get his saints from heaven (Matt 24).
Actually, he comes from heaven not with his saints as armies, but rather with his angels, Matthew 16:27. Then, his angels- the harvesters - gather the tares first, then they gather the wheat, the righteous - Matthew 13:30, 37-43.
Incidentally, when angels were seen, they were dressed in white, and shone brightly - Matt 28:3, Mark 16:5, Luke 24:4.
Oh my friend...indeed I do! He abides with me and in me forever (John 16:7-14)
PS. Love the Hebrew!
David I.F.
if it is silent, then you have nothing to say it is there, either way, you are dismissing Scripture to fit your theology, that is always a bad method
like I said, all you do is dismiss Scripture to form your own theology
I wont argu with you,
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I wont argu with you,
Buy Renald Shower’s book, MARANATHA! OUR LORD COME
Far from dismissing scripture, I have listed multiple scriptures that plainly state what I am merely repeating. Please show clear scriptural evidence for your above assertion.
My goal is not to argue with you, but to reason with you from the scriptures. Please search them for yourself, and do not be spoon-fed by Mr. Shower, me, or anyone else! Be a Berean! (Acts 17:11) Beware of Jesus admonition "Take heed that no man deceive you." Matt 24:4
If I have misquoted or misrepresented any scripture, please bring it to my attention!
You arent sounding spiritual by spamming the board, You just need to rest, sit down, and read what was already presented to you
I gave you the links, YOU refute them using the Bible
I am one of th eoriginal posters of articles like this from over 10 years ago, and frankly, I am tired of trying to convince people who hold false doctrine and refuse to address what is already presented to them, nor check out the material that would help them, as I already posted links to
If you wont beleive or check it out, that is between you and the Lord
Actually, you are the one copying and pasting. I have provided specific, targeted rebuttals to your assertions, and you avoid them and post "links". Really? Address my specific scriptural references with your own logic and research on the scripture, not by saying "here, read this book".
As for copying and pasting articles for over 10 years, posting the same error repeatedly does not make it true.
I challenge you to refute my doctrine with clear, plain scripture!
I genuinely believe that the many people who believe that the Church is going to get raptured out before any chastisement are fools, yet I DO believe in a PRE-TRIB Rapture
The Church as it exists today is NO WHERE near the Church it is supposed to be
Nations get judged in th here and now, not in eternity like souls do
So, who is it that teaches the rapture more than any?
Americans. And American Christians are so wwaek spiritually, drink, sleep outside of marriage, have the ame divirce rate, watch the same sinful shows and the unsaved for the most part
The form of worship in America has drifted from the Holy to the Profane, dancing in churches, rock music in churches, televangelist thieves, the ecumenical movement to unite all churches under one system while denying doctrine and Holiness and truth
I believe America will have some serious judgement before the rapture, and I also believe the world will. The alignment of Islamic nations and the soon to happen war with Islam in general will prove that.
A condition must occur that makes the world welcome a one world dictator, not in theory or conspiracy, but in reality, and that man who is that leader will sign a peace treaty with Israel that will have a dated time period of 7 years.
Whether we know of it as apeace treaty or just a treaty, it will be to provide the protection of Israel, something that Israel will NOT consider now.
But, now that they are surrounded by the Muslim brotherhood, and Obama is now bombing a dictator to help Al Qaeda and does Nothing to bomb Syria or Lebanon with Hamas and Hizbullah, Obama is directly aligning the world’s powers to support Islam and they will regret it
The European nations will awake from their lunacy in a small way, fight Islam by supporting Israel, the Anti-Christ will set up the temple, establish a center of his government in Babylon, and Islam will attack the anti-Christ because he is against the Caliphate but wants the worship of himself
In order for those events to happen, absolute chaos the world has yet to see will be needed, and in that time period, Christians will nto be the favored ones. A Chastisement will occur, maybe through natural disasters, maybe through wars, maybe through one causeing the other
We will certainly be chastised, but NOT in the 7 year judgement. That is for Israel and the world who rejected God.
The judgement of apostate believers is different than the judgement of unbelieving nations
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