[West Texas Chuck]

I don’t know if I hope you are right about that or wrong.

Obamalamadingdong ain’t going away. He won’t resign and Congress won’t impeach him. We are stuck in this situation and the only way is to replace him with somebody a lot better next year.

I have a theory that either the WH is dumb or sneaky:

Dumb - somebody in HI scanned the document in their files and sent it to the WH. Somebody there converted into a .pdf and posted it on the whitehouse.gov website. This was stupid, they should have posted the original scan, preferably a .tif even though it would have been a very large file. But it would have shut down a lot of the forgery accusations. As it is, if you open the .pdf in Adobe Illustrator you see the resulting “layers” of interpretation the software went through to compile the final document. Plus the distortion of the background caused by this conversion has people seeing WhiteOut on the original. What we are seeing is what I guess are called “artifacts” from the conversion. This makes a lot of people think it has been tampered with, but as far as I know that is just result the process the software goes through interpreting the scan. Would be better to see a high-res scan in the raw, but this is all we will get.

Sneaky - they did this on purpose. Rather than post a good clean .tif that could be examined until the cows come home looking for signs of forgery, they posted a .pdf that most people don’t understand when they start dissecting it. Possibly this was done to stoke the birther fires even more so Obama can turn his nose up at them and make them look insufferable and crazy.

My money is on dumb, based on some of the past blunders these guys have pulled, but maybe it is part of some plot to further embarass the birthers. I would just like to know why Obama didn’t do this two or three years ago before people were put in jail for refusing military orders to deploy because they didn’t believe he is a citizen. That was just mean or stubborn or arrogant, or all three.

I say we give it a couple of days and see what shakes out, I could turn out to be way off base here, but you can bet that document will be scrutinized every way possible and the results made known here on FR.

[Sprite518]

First, it’s not a long form birth certificate. It’s a certificate of Live Birth. You can see it on the top of the form. I’m pretty convinced it’s a fake.

And I agree with your question... If this is it why did he hold it back for so long?

Answer: Because this is NOT it....

I laughed at the lame brain excuse from the White House of oh we had to wait get permission from the State of Hawaii to release it B.S.

LOL!

[cynwoody]

I have a theory that either the WH is dumb or sneaky:

Dumb - somebody in HI scanned the document in their files and sent it to the WH. Somebody there converted into a .pdf and posted it on the whitehouse.gov website. This was stupid, they should have posted the original scan, preferably a .tif even though it would have been a very large file. But it would have shut down a lot of the forgery accusations. As it is, if you open the .pdf in Adobe Illustrator you see the resulting “layers” of interpretation the software went through to compile the final document. Plus the distortion of the background caused by this conversion has people seeing WhiteOut on the original. What we are seeing is what I guess are called “artifacts” from the conversion. This makes a lot of people think it has been tampered with, but as far as I know that is just result the process the software goes through interpreting the scan. Would be better to see a high-res scan in the raw, but this is all we will get.

Sneaky - they did this on purpose. Rather than post a good clean .tif that could be examined until the cows come home looking for signs of forgery, they posted a .pdf that most people don’t understand when they start dissecting it. Possibly this was done to stoke the birther fires even more so Obama can turn his nose up at them and make them look insufferable and crazy.

My money is on dumb, based on some of the past blunders these guys have pulled, but maybe it is part of some plot to further embarass the birthers. I would just like to know why Obama didn’t do this two or three years ago before people were put in jail for refusing military orders to deploy because they didn’t believe he is a citizen. That was just mean or stubborn or arrogant, or all three.

I'd go with sneaky. They purposely fouled up a perfectly genuine document in order to keep the birther thing simmering on the back burner, so that they can earn more points down the line kiboshing it more definitively. Obama is famous for saying one thing publicly but making the opposite thing happen privately. E.g., his 2004 Senate race against Jack Ryan, in which he publicly opposed the release of Ryan's divorce records as unseemly while privately urging the Chicago newspapers to go for it.

This is apparently the paper document they showed the media:

Source

It looks like it was indeed copied on a typical copier from a bound book of documents. Unlike the PDF on whitehouse.gov, this one has none of that fakey green security pattern that fails to follow the bend of the paper. Did they do that because they read some of the birther pixel analysis of the short form, which also had the green security pattern background, and they know it will keep the birthers all wee-wee'd up and ripe for another smackdown?