The Full Story: CNN Caught Lying About Hawaii Law & The Release Of Obama's Purported Records

ObamaRelease YourRecords ^ | Tuesday, April 26, 2011

[sometime lurker]

Mention that Obama went to Pakistan or maybe even Afganistan in1981 when it was illegal.

What do we have to do to kill this internet myth? It was not illegal for a US citizen to travel to Pakistan. There was no travel ban, just a travel advisory which warned travelers that if they wanted to stay more than 30 days in Pakistan, they needed to obtain visas in advance.

[Darksheare]

Zactly.
Interesting thing: Dubya released records when the left criticized him.
Why won't Skippy the Echolocating Wonderbat do the same?

[sometime lurker]

Any idea why there is no raised seal on this document?

I'm not sure that one can get a certified copy of a long form with a seal. Also, the raised seal may not show in a flat photo, if it's not a different color but only embossed on the same background. From reading the laws and department policies during past discussion, I'm unclear if Hawaii only certifies the COLB; I can't read the stamp with Onaka's signature to tell if it says "I certify" or not. Anyone know where I can find a clearer view?

[ml/nj]

the raised seal may not show in a flat photo

That's the same BS the Bamies used about their COLB. If there a seal there it would show under Photoshop enhancement. (I admit I haven't tried this with this photo.) When the Bamies made their claims I tried to make an embossing that wouldn't show up in a scanned image and I couldn't do it.

It doesn't make sense to me that Hawaii would only apply a seal to COLBs, but lots of things government does don't make sense to me.

ML/NJ

[timestax]

CNN LIES,...BIG TIME!

Have a snacker

[Red Steel]

rather than having to file a FOIA request, a standard they have adopted only recently?

Very recent. I suspect Hawaii or CNN have just made that up. A Freedom of Information Act Request just to get your own birth certificate? LoL. In 3 years, I haven't heard that term FOIA applied or have I seen it in the Hawaiian statute that they don't even follow. These guys are a lie a minute.

[john mirse]

Any idea why there is no raised seal on this document?

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That's a good question, but I think the person who originally posted the Hawaii birth certificate on the internet would probably have a reasonable explanation about why the Hawaii seal is not visible: Miki Booth over at Post%Email I believe.

As I understand it, Miki Booth posted the Hawaii birrh certificate of the child of a friend.

I see the Onaka stamp and the date of March 15, 2011, but I don't see a Hawaii seal.

So, if you go to the Post&Email site and try to contact Miki Booth to find out what she says, it would help those of us who did not think to look for the seal until you mentioned it.

I hope that you can contact Miki Booth and find out why we don't see the Hawaii seal, while we do see Onaka's stamp.

Let us know what Miki Booth says. She seems like a nice person, although I have never contacted her. Good luck.

[edge919]

CNN has shot itself in the foot. They claimed that Chiyome Fukino was able to inspect Obama’s records and view the original birth certificate because she met the direct and tangible interest requirement (which is a lie ... she simply had statutory authority as the director of the health deparmtent). But, presuming this was true, this would mean she could disclose the certificate because she supposedly meets the direct and tangible interest requirement. It completely contradicts the claim that they can’t release the original birth record. If she has a “direct and tangible interest,” she can disclose the record. She would have the same right to do disclose the record as Obama does.

[Red Steel]

(which is a lie ... she simply had statutory authority as the director of the health deparmtent).

Yes, as the custodian of those records, she can inspect them at her wish. Always another lie.

If she has a “direct and tangible interest,” she can disclose the record. She would have the same right to do disclose the record as Obama does.

Make sense. The state of Hawaii has always been hiding behind that fig leaf. They could always release Obama's birth certificate but would not certify it for identification purposes, and state the information on the birth certificate as true.

The lies flow so easily from Hawaii.

[edge919]

Under the direct and tangible interest requirement that Fukino supposably used, the state CAN release a CERTIFIED copy of that original birth certificate. Either she or the CNN reporter unwittingly proved that it CAN BE released.

[ml/nj]

Belated update prompted by a profanity laced FReep Mail reply from a FReeper whose Hawaiian BC has supposedly been posted to the internet ...

I contacted the "Post & email" as you suggested. I specifically asked about the raised seal on the "Booth" BC. A day or so later I got a short reply from "Sharon Rondeau." She told me, "I am able to see embossed seals on all of the birth certificates which Ms. Booth provided to us." That was it.

So I replied that I was having trouble bringing it out with Photoshop, and asked he to tell me the location of the seal relative to other easily recognizable features on the BC. Her reply in full was, "I'm sorry, I am not a document or technical expert."

This was enough to make me wary of anything in this P&e.

To be honest I'm not sure if the FReeper in question is Booth or another person; or whether P&e has featured both the FReeper and Booth. The thing, I know now is that both Booth and the FReeper BCs were very much obscured to protect the identity of each.

Of course I'm not interested at all in the personal stuff. I told the FReeper in question I was interested in a high density scan and asked if she could just email me the bottom part with the signatures (except her mom's) and the registrar's stamp. Her first reply in part (leaving out stuff that identifies her) was:

I believe that Hawaii has supplied legitimate documents in so far as any IMAGE of them can determine. No photograph of a document is ever going to prove or disprove the ACTUAL document as real or fake. It cannot be determined from a picture of it.

Obama is ineligible because he was born British, and I believe the birth certificate issue is hiding this. I believe that people should be talking about the conditions of Obama’s birth - being born British, a dual citizen - not his birth certificate or place of birth.

? I can’t keep scanning and re-scanning. I have been doing it now since 2008 and I have to draw the line somewhere.

I am sorry my FRiend!

I replied that this didn't pass my smell test. I wasn't asking for a rescan of anything. If she had any scan I could enlarge she could have sent it to me with less effort than the following reply took:

You know ML, I really don’t give a s**t. I have spent HOURS of my time, photographing and scanning my birth documents, over and over and over. Its never enough, someone else comes asking me to do this that or the other scan at 600dip or 300 dpi or 1200 dpi. Its never enough... If that isn’t enough for you tough.

You didn’t even ask nicely.

So shove off. There are tons of images on the net. Do some freaking searching. The last post I made on it, which I gave you the link to, is the last one I am going to do. I have done ENOUGH.

GO smell up someone else’s skirt, I am sick of this s**t and sick of your “smell test”.

From this one I only redacted her FReepname and a couple of letters in the profanity she used.

I would also point out that it is a bit odd for someone who supposedly posted a real Hawaiian BC to tell people that you cannot tell anything from an image and that Obama is ineligible because he was born British. I would have thought her intent was to show that a real BC could be obtained, and that Obama & Co. were lying. After all, Obama has always claimed a British subject as his father.

ML/NJ