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The poor in America
Orange Punch, the commentary blog of the Orange County Register ^ | 4-25-2011 | Mark Landsbaum

Posted on 04/25/2011 9:51:17 PM PDT by Mark Landsbaum

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To: piytar

Privatize most things to spur private sector employment, for one.


41 posted on 04/26/2011 9:45:31 PM PDT by Dr. White
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To: piytar

Privatize most things to spur private sector employment, for one.


42 posted on 04/26/2011 9:45:37 PM PDT by Dr. White
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To: Dr. White

I can tell you are a compassionate man.

Those who have too little are truly poor and deserving of help.

But I see so many who cry poor but have many things, expensive things, things that take up their time that could be put to productive use.


43 posted on 04/26/2011 11:43:51 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: Dr. White
In view of the current economy and current widespread joblessness, where are you presuming prosperity is coming from?

A red white and blue spigot in the sky?

Frankly, yes.

It is partly a question of definition. The left has continually increased the threshold for being considered impoverished. The current threshold is about $11,000 (varies depending on family structure) and about 14% of Americans fall below that line.

But this is the caveat:

While cash benefits from government assistance programs are included in a family's income when calculating the official poverty measure, benefits received in-kind such as food stamps, Medicare or Medicaid, employer provided health insurance, housing subsidies, and other social services are excluded. Taxes that families pay and tax credits they receive such as the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) do not enter into the official poverty determination.

In addition, the census figures concern income, not wealth. So those with substantial assets and insubstantial income (e.g. many long term unemployed) erroneously show up as impoverished. My older brother lost his job in 2008 as a corporate exec. He has four kids and a wife, got a nice severance package and took 2009 off to spend time with kids. He has since been hired back in a similar position with another firm. He fell below the official poverty line in 2009 but no one would doubt that he is wealthy.

These statistics and other info is available at U of Michigan's National Poverty Center Website: http://www.npc.umich.edu

In the United States, one can obtain Food, Housing, Healthcare for FREE through Food Stamps, HUD, Medicaid, etc. So yes, prosperity I guess does come from a Red, White and Blue Spigot.

The type of poverty that you mention in your post: not enough food, clothing or shelter, outside of addicts and those with severe mental disorders is rare.

This info correlates with my own observations as a volunteer with the St. Vincent DePaul organization for many years in several locations. I can also compare it to foreign countries in which I have lived. Specifically the Philippines and Indonesia.

44 posted on 04/27/2011 5:01:16 AM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: hosepipe
The question was rhetorical and sarcastic in nature.

The common sense solutions have voiced a million times.

Nothing is done, and the electoral process has been undermine and compromised my tens of millions of illegal aliens and hundreds of thousands of imported American hating foreigners.

45 posted on 04/27/2011 11:41:19 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dfwgator
Poor people like in Haiti, the “poorest” American would live like a King

How bad can it be when it's said American poor are better off then those in Haiti...wow

We've come a long way...

46 posted on 04/27/2011 11:44:24 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: ALPAPilot
poverty is rare in this country.

Lemme guess, your comparing America's poor to corrupt 3 world nations?

You're a government employee or collecting government benefits?

47 posted on 04/27/2011 11:48:53 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: ALPAPilot

What a pile of babble.


48 posted on 04/27/2011 11:49:52 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: ALPAPilot
In the United States, one can obtain Food, Housing, Healthcare for FREE through Food Stamps, HUD, Medicaid, etc. So yes, prosperity I guess does come from a Red, White and Blue Spigot.

Then tell me, how are all these people who lack adequate health insurance losing everything they own, including their homes?

49 posted on 04/28/2011 12:18:51 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2
I am not a government employee, and I don't receive government assistance. I don't even send my kids to public school.

Why don't you tell me the number of people who have lost their homes. Mosts states have exemptions for homes under bankruptcy laws. Florida has an unlimited exemption. Regardless, suffering from illness and poverty are generally separate issues.

Lemme guess, your comparing America's poor to corrupt 3 world nations?

I was comparing what is defined as "poor" here as opposed to elsewhere. It was Dr. White who suggested the definition under discussion: not enough food, clothing, or shelter.

What a pile of babble.

Lemme guess your either to lazy, stupid or liberal to add any useful info to the discussion.

50 posted on 04/28/2011 5:03:43 AM PDT by ALPAPilot
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