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To: SeekAndFind
There are two birth issues surrounding Obama's eligibility to serve as President per the Constitution.

The first is the issue of natural born as raised by the author of the article. It has never been tested in the courts, especially SCOTUS. I feel strongly that it should be based on the citizenship of Obama's alleged father.

The second issue revolves around Obama's long form birth certificate to verify exactly who his birth father really was and to determine if he was born abroad. In order to challenge whether Obama was "natural born," we would have to verify from a primary source document that Barack Obama Sr. was his real father. And if there is an indication that Obama was born abroad (COLBs in Hawaii have been issued to children born abroad) then he would clearly not be eligible to be President unless his mother was unmarried and she alone conveyed citizenship abroad. A Consular certification would be used to do that. There is no doubt that Obama is a citizen and presumably had a US passport when he travelled to Indonesia when he was six years old. If he had been born overseas, he would have been added to his mother's passport in order to enter the US for the first time.

9 posted on 04/17/2011 8:34:21 PM PDT by kabar
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RE: The second issue revolves around Obama’s long form birth certificate to verify exactly who his birth father really was


Something just struck me as I read the above, which is this — why is Obama being so secretive about his Long Form Birth Certificate ? Could it be that it does not show that who he said his father is, isn’t really his father?

Curiouser and curiouser it’s becoming.


10 posted on 04/17/2011 8:38:36 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: kabar
The second issue revolves around Obama's long form birth certificate to verify exactly who his birth father really was

What in the world makes you think a BC contains such information, particularly in the case of a married woman?

Assuming the BC does list the birth father, as opposed to the legal father, which it doesn't in any state, AFAIK, where could they possibly get such information except from the mother? And what makes you think she would tell the truth? Or possibly that she even knew who the "real father" was?

Prior to modern DNA testing, such as in the early 60s, there was NO WAY to prove who the "real father" was.

Even if it were to be proven the "real father" was some other guy, what makes you think the Constitution's provision would apply to the "sperm donor" rather than the legal father, the mother's husband?

16 posted on 04/17/2011 9:23:05 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: kabar

there’s a third issue too, seekandfind. The issue surrounding his relationship to Lolo Soetoro. The only record we do have of Obama’s education is that registration from for the school he attended in Indonesia. If we’re to believe the registration, there is a good chance he was adopted by Lolo and made into an Indonesian citizen. Under US and Indonesian law if Obama made an affirmative act as an adult to maintain allegiance to Indonesia, he would have no US citizenship of any kind. Which begs the question, what passport did he use in 1981 to get into Pakistan. He already mentioned in his book that he stopped in Indonesia on his way to Pakistan. Could it have been so he could use his Indonesian passport to enter Pakistan? If so, that would represent an affirmative act. He would be disqualified from being president. The only way to restore any form of US citizenship would have been through naturalization.


53 posted on 08/26/2011 1:37:44 PM PDT by jmanuola
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