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To: Brown Deer; Fred Nerks; LucyT
"Why would she think her daughter was only half the age that you believe she was? Taking care of another child for almost a year is a 'fleeting association'?" I don't have any “story” or make any claims regarding Toutonghi.

What I have done is to compare some newspaper reports of the distant memories of an aging woman to the public documents that anyone can obtain showing when SADO was at university in HI then WA then back to HI along with the rental records in Seattle.

I find the documents showing that SADO was in Seattle from Sept 1961 to August 1962 to be very persuasive and any claims that Toutonghi was baby sitting Anna Obama’s baby in January of 1961 to NOT be persuasive.

Remember that for Fred Nerks’ favored narrative to be true, SADO must NOT by Barry's mother and BHO Sr. must NOT be his father, they were not married and SADO was never in Seattle from Sept 1961 to August 1962.

FN has used the Toutonghi story to claim that in January 1961 when her baby was 18 months old in Toutonghi’s memory she could NOT have been babysitting Barry but was babysitting a different baby for a different “Anna Obama” (who was in the rental listing a year later) whom he claims is the Asian woman from the USA called Ann in the picture of BHO Sr. at the apartment party.

I have seen no corroborative evidence that the Asian Ann at the party was ever Anna Obama or ever in Seattle with a baby in the apartment that Fred Nerks would have Toutonghi babysitting.

I find this theory interesting, but speculative and not persuasive when compared to the strong circumstantial evidence that SADO was Barry's mother and she was in Seattle in the same building as Toutonghi, regardless of the uncertainty of Toutonghi's memory.

599 posted on 04/19/2011 6:54:53 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp
any claims that Toutonghi was baby sitting Anna Obama’s baby in January of 1961 to NOT be persuasive.

What reason would she have to lie?

We've seen plenty of proof of your president's lies!
602 posted on 04/19/2011 7:16:20 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Seizethecarp
...FN has used the Toutonghi story to claim that in January 1961 when her baby was 18 months old in Toutonghi’s memory she could NOT have been babysitting Barry but was babysitting a different baby for a different “Anna Obama”

I'm not USING anything other than what the woman herself said at first interview. She did NOT identify ANNA as anyone but ANNA, and if ANNA had a baby to baby-sit in January when her own daughter was 18 months of age, ANNA could not be mistaken for Stanley Ann Dunham, who would still have been in high school when that child was conceived.

(who was in the rental listing a year later)

What is a 'rental listing' - do you mean the directory entry for ANNA OBAMA or have you by chance a copy of a lease agreement?

whom he claims is the Asian woman from the USA called Ann in the picture of BHO Sr. at the apartment party.

First of all, I have never referred to ANNE/USA identified at the Nachmannof's as 'Asian' - but I have, on several occasions pointed out that this girl might very well have been the girl Neil Abercrombie said he saw with the Kenyan. Neil always refers to the woman whom he says he saw with the Kenyan as ANN - OR - ANNE.

Neil Abercrombie might very well have been 'here when that child was born' BUT HE DOESN'T SAY WHEN.

I suggest we drop this conversation, you have been trying to make me follow the 'Dreams' scenario for almost a year now. It's a waste of your time and mine.

603 posted on 04/19/2011 7:20:25 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Seizethecarp

You believe that it’s impossible for SADO, as you call her, to have had a baby in January/February 1961. Do you remember that SADO wrote her friends about how she loved wearing muu muus to college, during her first semester in Hawaii? A muu muu can cover a pregnancy quite well.

SADO, although she attended the fall semester at U of HI in 1960, didn’t attend the next semester, starting in 1961. She supposedly married in February 1961.

Did she drop out of college after that first semester to give birth, early in 1961? Did she then marry to legitimize her child, supposedly in February 1961?

She was in Seattle by the fall of 1961. What makes more sense?

That she had a baby in August in Hawaii, after inexplicably and unnecessarily having dropped out of college in January, when only a month or so pregnant, but the very next month, after giving birth in August, she was at college on the mainland with a tiny newborn baby OR

that she dropped out of college after school ended in December 1960, gave birth a month or so later, married quickly, and made arrangements to continue her college education on the mainland, in Seattle, when the baby was 7 or 8 months old?


626 posted on 04/20/2011 8:58:39 AM PDT by Greenperson
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