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To: David; Fred Nerks; Natural Born 54

To this day, I don’t know why you and Fred Nerks attribute such significance to a passage (s?), from The Dreams of My Father. Based on my own research and reading (e.g., Jack Cashil), the book is clearly fictional in nature and should not be relied on as gospel truth.

Furthermore, since there is so much contradictory (and often doctored) information out there, you can’t rely on a simple quote nor a limited set of quotes to exclude another hypothesis. As far as I am concerned, there is no theory which can be entirely consistent with the alleged facts of BHO, jr’s life.

There are many ways to interpret the birth listings at the Hawaii DOH. My personal belief is that the report was recompiled at a later date to include BHO jr’s birth. As a computer professional specializing in developing databases such as these, I find no evidence to support your hypotheses.

You make several observations about the shortcomings of the Birth Records, and I agree with you about the deficiencies. However, there is no reason to doubt the marriage listings, so you can never avoid the conclusion that they knew each other intimately. It would also seem to suggest that this might well have been a bit of a shotgun wedding, since conception would appear to have occurred in November.

My personal belief, which is corroborated in spades from what we already know, is that these most of these records have been subject to tampering by parties affiliated with Obama. For example, I am quite convinced the newspaper announcements were forgeries (http://myveryownpointofview.wordpress.com/2010/05/28/extra-extra-announcing-obamas-birth/). However, there are many documents, including the divorce decree, that all use the August 4th date. I don’t see any direct evidence contradicting this assumption.

You can believe what you want about this Anna character. However, you can’t deny that Stanley and and Barack, sr were married, according to Hawaiian documents. You can’t also deny that Stanley Ann, with baby in tow, was in Seattle taking classes at the UW and living at the same address as indicated by her transcript file. However, it is quite possible that one “fat fingered” typing error could be the source of all confusion regarding her name. As you must certainly know, there are an exceedingly large number of quotes from friends, family and neighbors which confirm that she was in Seattle at this time period, and was carrying along a baby naked Barack that she claimed was the child of Barack sr. It would certainly seem that there were very few other male opportunities in Hawaii for Stanley Ann to have misecgenated with. Given the fact that she was legally married to Barack, sr, I would argue that there is only an infinitesimal chance that the parent was anyone other than Barack, sr.

As I indicated above, most of your line of reasoning seems to take “facts” as given, from a work which is fictional in nature and which was certainly not written by Barack. By judiciously and carefully examining source materials, I can find plenty of evidence that would support the Out of Africa hypothesis, though I have no idea why she would have chosen to go to Kenya. And, by using my exegesis, there is no reason at all for any other Anna character to exist or, more importantly, to have some role in the paternity of Barack, jr. I find a dearth of evidence supporting the Anna hypothesis, compared to many different sources that all confirm the basic outlines of Barack jr’s nativity and early upbringing.

If anyone chooses to exclude hypotheses based on any set of evidentiary fragments, you will discover that there a few, if any, hypotheses that can ever be accepted. The Anna hypothesis excludes a large tranche of forensic evidence that supports the Out of Africa hypothesis and/or Barack jr’s paternity and/or the Seattle sojourn of Stanley Ann accompanied by her cognatus son. In contrast, the Anna hypothesis is fundamentally poorly supported in evidence, testimony, and common sense.


412 posted on 04/16/2011 11:30:35 AM PDT by Fractal Trader
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To: Fractal Trader
Interesting:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2501812/posts?page=59#59

From:

0bama Family: "Barack 0bama Sr Married Anna Toot in Hawaii" "Their union produced B. 0bama Jr."
All Africa ^ | 15 August 2004 | John Oywa

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2501812/posts

428 posted on 04/16/2011 2:26:27 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: Fractal Trader

For example, I am quite convinced the newspaper announcements were forgeries
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:) that would be a very correct assumption and all it will take to blow that wide open are 2-3 actual newspapers from that date. tick tock


436 posted on 04/16/2011 3:16:05 PM PDT by mojitojoe ( 1400 years of existence & Islam has 2 main accomplishments, psychotic violence and goat curry)
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To: Fractal Trader

However, you can’t deny that Stanley and and Barack, sr were married, according to Hawaiian documents.
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Don’t bet the farm on that statement pal.


437 posted on 04/16/2011 3:17:33 PM PDT by mojitojoe ( 1400 years of existence & Islam has 2 main accomplishments, psychotic violence and goat curry)
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To: Fractal Trader

exceedingly large number of quotes
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HUGE exaggeration.


438 posted on 04/16/2011 3:18:24 PM PDT by mojitojoe ( 1400 years of existence & Islam has 2 main accomplishments, psychotic violence and goat curry)
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To: Fractal Trader; Fred Nerks
You can believe what you want about this Anna character. However, you can’t deny that Stanley and and Barack, sr were married, according to Hawaiian documents.

Really? Show us the marriage certificate!

There are many ways to interpret the birth listings at the Hawaii DOH. My personal belief is that the report was recompiled at a later date to include BHO jr’s birth.

Really? The birth report was recompiled, but the marriage report was not?

As a computer professional specializing in developing databases such as these, I find no evidence to support your hypotheses.
439 posted on 04/16/2011 3:24:24 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Fractal Trader

You said,”To this day, I don’t know why you and Fred Nerks attribute such significance to a passage (s?), from The Dreams of My Father.”

Just in case you were addressing that to me, if you check back on my comments, you will find that I share your dubious view of the value of a statement in DREAMS. There is just as much reason to doubt the truth of BO’s finding his birth certificate as stated in the book as there is to believe it.

As for adopting the same attitude about “official” documentation out of Hawaii, I’ll stick with being dubious. For goodness sake, it’s all an inside job and the insiders have done whatever they had to do to provide cover for their boy and they are still doing it. Of course, now they are covering for themselves as well.

You said, “there is no reason to doubt the marriage listings”. And you stated, “However, you can’t deny that Stanley and and Barack, sr were married, according to Hawaiian documents.”

Are you kidding?

I don’t know whether the marriage record of SAD and BHO Sr. is real or not but I’m certainly not going to automatically accept it as legit because it is an “official” document. Hawaii officials have not earned my trust, they’ve earned my distrust.


462 posted on 04/16/2011 4:51:35 PM PDT by Natural Born 54 (FUBO x 10)
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