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To: little jeremiah; LucyT; Fred Nerks
If I’m wrong someone will soon clarify, but IIRC the Polk directory for Seattle lists “Anna Obama”. That might or might not be Stanley Ann Dunham (Obama). She was never called “Anna”.

It is really a worse story than that.

The Polk for Hawaii lists Anna as Ann Obama prior to 1961 when Stanley Ann purportedly arrived.

Now you can find several places where people say Stanley Ann called herself Ann, Anna, etc. But, having studied the issue, I don't find any examples.

But the resident ultimately controls the Polk listing--so maybe she did.

It is an article of faith to Fred that every example except the early Hawaii Polk listing for Ann Obama lists Anna as a different person from Ann.

I am inclined to accept Fred's view on the Hawaii Polk--that was probably Anna. Other places, probably Anna is a different person than Stanley. For the most part, Stanley Ann used both names so where you find only one name, it is probably Anna.

I reject another hypothesis--that Ann went to Hawaii before her high school class graduated from Mercer Island, and was pregnant earlier than the legend (Dreams) provides for because if that had been the case, there would have been no reason to have modified the legend.

So in turn, that reasoning, coupled with a variety of reliable testimony including Abercrombe, to the existence of a multi racial child connected to Senior prior to the fall of 1961, supports Fred's analysis that there are two women here--Anna; and Stanley Ann.

If you get that far, you surmise that Anna was pregnant; she was the woman whose father rejected the idea of the black son in law; she left Hawaii in the fall of 1961 and delivered the baby in Kenya.

She (Anna) was related to a Seattle family and returned to Seattle to attend Seattle University, probably in January 1961 as Mary testifies. Lives on Capital Hill.

Maybe it is as simple as the fact that Zero is the child of Anna. We think that is not likely because he was rejected for inheritance from Senior.

I tend to accept the University of Washington transcript record because it looks like a number of U of W transcripts that I have seen. But, it may not be real.

The Corsi time line that has Stanley Ann in Seattle on August 19 to register for class at the U of W is incorrect. Contrary to Corsi and the University's letter, the date results from a misreading of a 9 (September) as an 8 on the original Night School Transcript--the 9 is down in the binding and small type; the bottom of the nine looked closed to be an 8. That was wrong.

But not material. Stanley Ann registered for Night School classes on September 19 (the Night School is an extension school and hence gets an X class number). Stanley Ann, or whoever was there under her name, attended class in night school in the fall quarter of 1961 and in Winter quarter of 1962; then transferred to the regular day school for Spring quarter, 1962.

Reason she was in Night school is because she got poor grades at the U of Hawaii and could not get in to the day school at the University when she originally applied. Her grades in Night School were stellar and got her into the day school.

The disparity in grades between U of Hawaii and U of Washington a year later could be viewed as at least a suggestion that there were two different students attending school under Stanley Ann's name.

378 posted on 04/15/2011 7:54:13 PM PDT by David (...)
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To: David

REGARDING THE DATES ON THE TRANSCRIPT:

From: Sharon Rondeau
Sent: Fri 8/20/10 12:15 PM
To: vedwards@u.washington.edu
Subject: ATTENDANCE DATES AT THE UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON FOR STANLEY ANN DUNHAM OBAMA

Hello, Ms. Edwards, were you able to ascertain whether or not Stanley Ann Dunham began her studies at the University of Washington in August or September 1961?

Thank you.

Sharon Rondeau

to which Ms. Edwards promptly replied:

From: Virjean H. Edwards (vedwards@u.washington.edu)
Sent: Sat 8/21/10 4:19 PM
To: ‘Sharon Rondeau’

Hello Ms. Rondeau

Yes, it was definitely September 1961. We located the 1961 Time Schedule which shows the date all classes began.
_____________________________________________________

Virjean Hanson Edwards
Interim University Registrar
University of Washington
206-685-2553
Fax # 206-685-3660
210 Schmitz Hall
Box 355850
Seattle, WA 98195

The following email was sent by Ms. Virjean Edwards to the original researcher on July 26, 2010:

This is to confirm that when Ms. Obama’s record was entered into the Student Data Base, an error had been made and the month was entered as August (8) and not September (9). The staff person made an honest mistake since on the original record the 9 is typed on the line which makes the 9 look like an 8. Our office investigated this, found that the class did not begin until September so corrected the on-line transcript changing the month from August to September.

If you have any other questions about this please contact me.

_____________________________________________________
Virjean Hanson Edwards
Interim University Registrar
University of Washington
206-543-3290
Fax # 206-221-4423
Schmitz Hall
Box 355850
Seattle, WA 98195

http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/08/22/confirmed-stanley-ann-dunham-began-studies-in-september-1961-not-august/

WILL POST THE ACTUAL DOCUMENTS IN THE NEXT COMMENT BOX.


380 posted on 04/15/2011 8:18:29 PM PDT by Fred Nerks
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To: David
...If you get that far, you surmise that Anna was pregnant; she was the woman whose father rejected the idea of the black son in law; she left Hawaii in the fall of 1961 and delivered the baby in Kenya.

If we allow for Mary telling the truth when she was first contacted, that she baby-sat for ANNA when her own daughter was 18 months of age in July, 1959...then ANN/ANNA would have left Hawaii shortly AFTER the birth, if that UNDATED index listing for OBAMA 11 Barack Hussein was ANNA'S CHILD.

"I WAS HERE WHEN THAT CHILD WAS BORN..." ABERCROMBIE SAID...'I SAW THE NAME WRITTEN DOWN SOMEWHERE..."

There must have been a reason why the BIRTH INDEX was the only index from which the DATE RANGE WAS REMOVED:

...The images above are offered as proof that the Birth Index volume is in fact quite different in an important way. It is the only one that lacks the date range. It seems improbable that this would be innocently “overlooked” only in this one book. To suggest so is ridiculous. That is why I published images from the other “types” of books that were printed at the same time the 1960-1964 Birth Index was printed, to show absolutely that the obama Index is the only book lacking the one common, expected, usual official information. The date range.

SOURCE LINK

383 posted on 04/15/2011 8:59:35 PM PDT by Fred Nerks
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To: David; Fred Nerks

You stated:

“Stanley Ann, or whoever was there under her name, attended class in night school in the fall quarter of 1961 and in Winter quarter of 1962; then transferred to the regular day school for Spring quarter, 1962.”

I’ve never seen that piece of information anywhere before. Can you tell me where you found it, please?

I checked the 1962 Tyee since it should be much more likely to find her in a yearbook as a regular day student vs. a night school student. There was no listing for Ann or Anna Obama nor was there a listing for Ann, Anna or Stanley Ann Dunham. She’s not in any photo with any of her friends from MIHS (like Maxine Hanson) either. I realize that she was in night school the first half of the year, but wouldn’t she likely have been in something that got photographed during the Spring quarter?

One other thing struck me about your statement. As we all know, there were all kinds of comments from her ex-classmates at Mercer in various articles published about SAD. I don’t recall any of them saying anything about actually going to school with her at UW. Since she was there the Spring quarter of ‘62 and a number of her classmates from MIHS were also there at the same time, why aren’t there any little stories about her at UW? How could they pass that up? Much was made of her “Stanley steamer” attitude toward learning and her acquisitive nature not to mention her unconventional trips to Seattle coffee houses with Chip Wall and so forth. Wouldn’t a reporter want to see what tid bits could be added to her character development from her college years?

Wouldn’t you think someone would have recalled something about her at the University as a regular day student in 1962? Also, she would have had new friends at college in addition to the friends from high school who were there, providing a whole bunch of new sources of info about her for curious reporters, wouldn’t you think?

Why didn’t anyone go digging into her experience at UW? There must have been more material there, especially since the future president was then in the picture.


394 posted on 04/15/2011 10:51:36 PM PDT by Natural Born 54 (FUBO x 10)
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To: David; Fred Nerks

Ah, I looked at the docs Fred posted - the transcript that look like a computer printout and I now see that they list UW credits - 10 - and those are separate from her other course credits. That entry refers to the Spring quarter of regular attendance at the school. That’s obviously the basis for your statement, so never mind that question.

The rest of my questions remain and if you have an opinion, I would like to hear it. Thanks.


396 posted on 04/15/2011 11:12:37 PM PDT by Natural Born 54 (FUBO x 10)
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To: David; Fred Nerks

Facinating stuff.

Be back tomorrow


398 posted on 04/15/2011 11:44:27 PM PDT by Diver Dave
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To: David; Natural Born 54; Brown Deer; Fred Nerks; GregNH; Fantasywriter; warsaw44; ColdOne; ...
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Ping redux . . .

Begin at # 352 and read to the end of the thread. Fred Nerks, Brown Deer, and Natural Born 54 have added new information and photos.

Check out David's comment # 378 , - and Fractal Trader at # 387.

Then David's comments # 409 and # 410.

[Thanks for your dedication, research, and pings.]

413 posted on 04/16/2011 11:44:50 AM PDT by LucyT
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