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To: David; Brown Deer
...--we can still see from the record that someone claiming to be Stanley Ann was at the U registering for and attending classes...

I would feel a whole lot more sure about that, if the information from the U of WA had come first...and the discovery of the address for ANNA OBAMA followed, instead of the other way around. There were a number of class of 1960 MIHS graduates who attended the U of WA IN 1961, AND IF ANYONE OF THEM had come forward and said; "I was at/saw her at the University of Washington" AND THEN Charlette Le Fevre found the address as a RESULT, that would sit a whole lot better.

Meanwhile, someone claiming to be Stanley Ann Dunham and Charlette Le Fevre's identification of ANNA OBAMA as Stanley Ann Dunham is all we have.

1,077 posted on 04/24/2011 12:32:09 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Fred Nerks
...--we can still see from the record that someone claiming to be Stanley Ann was at the U registering for and attending classes...

I would feel a whole lot more sure about that, if the information from the U of WA had come first...and the discovery of the address for ANNA OBAMA followed, instead of the other way around. There were a number of class of 1960 MIHS graduates who attended the U of WA IN 1961, AND IF ANYONE OF THEM had come forward and said; "I was at/saw her at the University of Washington" AND THEN Charlette Le Fevre found the address as a RESULT, that would sit a whole lot better.

That isn't realistic. You don't understand how big Washington is. If my memory is correct, there were between three and five thousand Freshman in the entering class. I was well known; with high school friends from three classes on four sport's teams; maybe a dozen of my friends were at the U as were many of my other classmates. The only person from High School I remember seeing my first year was a friend I saw every day--because he lived half a block from my home and I drove him to school every day; where we had the same majors; and were in the same non academic program.

I agree with your need to be suspicious of every fact you turn over in this effort. And I have conceded your point that the possibility exists that the U of W transcript record was modified. I don't think it happened because I do not have any idea how it would have been accomplished. I know what the security arrangements were like and they were designed to keep people from doing anything with the real record--in part for the reason that there was real money on the table for academic performance.

The U of W transcript is a very important document. Because if it is real, it attests to her 1960 Mercer Island graduation; it attests to the U of Hawaii portion of the fairy tale.

It is important also to understand the sequence of the U of W record documents. The computer printout was generated long after the fact. At some point, the U like other institutions, converted its students records to the machine. I do not know when that occurred.

I do know that my own undergraduate record all of which is prior to Fall Quarter, 1961, was not converted because I have seen copies of my transcripts within the last ten or twelve years and they are photocopies of the old style records with the appended certificate.

At the conversion point, a decision had to be made which records to convert for existing students; obviously records of some earlier students were also converted. How they decided whose records to convert is not clear to me.

But the original transcript for Stanley Ann looks like a pretty regular form for what was in use in 1961.

I agree that there is room for doubt because of the circumstances. But there is nothing on the piece of paper that contradicts the legend.

The largest gap is the possibility that someone else might have claimed to have been Stanley Ann and assumed the paper record you see. At that point, you need to ask yourself at what point the person was substituted.

You can understand that the legend which accepts her presence in Seattle in August of 1961 does not include any mention of the prospect that she would attend the U in the Fall Quarter for the reason that the author's did not want you to know that occurred.

As a matter of fact, the desire of the author's to eliminate that information must be the only excuse for why it is not there. Because in looking at what you do know, if you accept the admission deadline of August 1 as applicable to the Night School as well as the regular college (which I believe was the case) Stanley Ann had made the decision to attend Washington sometime before mid July 1961--before Obama would have been born if the August 4 birthdate is accurate.

Wherever she came from to Seattle in August 1961; however she got there; whether or not she had a multi racial child with her; she was there to start school at the University of Washington Fall Quarter. The fact that the witnesses are not on record telling you so proves either that she didn't tell them; or that they have been told not to tell you. I don't find the first alternative probable.

1,091 posted on 04/24/2011 2:13:51 PM PDT by David (...)
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To: Fred Nerks; LucyT; little jeremiah; All
Hawaii Sen. Slom: Law Allows Obama's Records Released With Consent
Hawaii State Senator Sam Slom: Hawaii Law Allows Obama's Vital Records Released With His Consent... The Interview Conducted By Aaron Klein On WABC-77 Radio In New York - 4/17/2011

Audio Source: http://www.wabcradio.com/sectional.asp?id=36805

The lone Republican in the Hawaii State Senate told a radio interviewer today he believes "the real issue" stopping Barack Obama from releasing his long-form birth certificate is something the president has to hide, perhaps even the name of his actual birth father.

Asked what that could be, Slom said, "It could have to do with what his name is on the birth certificate, who is actually listed as his father, the citizenship of the father."

He continued, "My belief is that there is a birth certificate, he was born here, but that there is information that for reasons known only to him he doesn't want released. If it were just the birth certificate, that would be one thing, but it's his school records, it's employment records. … Why would anybody, let alone the president of the United States, spend millions of dollars in legal fees to keep that hidden?"

"As long as that goes on," he concluded, "I think it's a legitimate issue." ...
1,097 posted on 04/24/2011 3:04:02 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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