Obama's aunt angry at Trump (Now she claims family got letter from BHO Sr. in Hawaii)

WHDH-TV / CNN ^ | April 11, 2011

[2ndDivisionVet]

BOSTON - Barack Obama's aunt, Zeituni Onyango, says Donald Trump disrespected her family by questioning the president's birthplace.

Trump quoted Obama's grandmother when she claimed to have witnessed Barack Obama's birth in Kenya, and Onyango says that is not true.....

[Seizethecarp]

“It is insulting for you to attack Mary Toutonghi’s memory as an “aging” one. A woman who has a child, her first, remembers nearly everything about the events of her first child’s first years of life. This woman would certainly remember whether or not she was caring for two diaper-able babies or a baby and a toddler, the toddler being her very own child.”

I disagree. While a mother will certainly have a relatively good memory regarding her own children, in this case a memory of a different child that is not her own is involved, a child with whom she had only a fleeting association.

Documents are always preferable to memory and with SADO we have documents the public record available to anyone showing SADO at U of HI with BHO Sr. in the fall of 1960, not having just delivered an infant as would be required if Toutonghi's memory was from January 1961. We have a publicly available HI vital record index showing a marriage of SADO to BHO Sr. (and not some mystery Anna Obama) and a publicly available 10 of 11 pages of a divorce filing showing a claim in 1964 of the marriage on Feb 2, 1961 in HI. (BTW, that marriage was likely bigamous, IMO, and would NOT make Barry a dual-citizen under the 1948 BNA exclusions.)

There is no evidence of a mystery Asian "Anna Obama" who was ever married to BHO Sr. or linked with Toutonghi in WA at any time. SADO arrived in WA as documented by the public record of the U of WA and the rental records and in less reliable interviews with her classmates.

[bgill]

Enlarging the dark boy's picture but can't tell if it's a widows peak or tuft of hair. The dark boy has dark eyebrows so I'm still going with it being Mark. They both have heavy eyelids as does the Kenyan tribe and the Dunhams so that doesn't take us anywhere other than they could be family. Now, check out the ears on the lighter boy and the usurper. Looks pretty much spot on imo.

[little jeremiah]

2. Obama left Kenya in 1955. FN bases this claim not on a quote from Sr. “in his own words” as FN claims, but in the recounting of Sr.’s biography by a reporter in the 1962 story that Obama/Ayers appear to refer to in “Dreams”. The reporter says that Obama was last in Kenya seven years earlier. The reporter does not attribute this statement to Sr. himself.

Fred Nerks has posted a copy of the newspaper article from one of the Honolulu papers in which 0bama Sr is stating that he hasn't been in Kenya for 7 years; article is dated 1962. He's posted this copy a couple of times. Not trying to be argumentative, just a correction. The article might be earlier on this thread; but it's on at least 2 threads. (courtesy ping to Fred Nerks.)

[scott7278]

I think you replied to my research about Intelius.com, where a Marcus (Mark?) Obama was listed as related to Stanley, Stanley Ann, and Madelyn Dunham. I’m pretty sure Intelius only lists relatives with whom one has actually lived.

Maybe our _resident is actually Mark, and the one over in China in Barack? Who knows with this clown and messed up family!

[Fred Nerks]

IMO, Fred Nerks, while providing invaluable actual photo evidence concerning all things Obama, Kenya, Ghana and Malcolm X, seems to me to be trying to fit the evidence into his favored personal theory as to who Barry's parents were rather than letting the evidence stand on its own, one corroborated fact at a time.

OK genius, set it all out for us, 'one corroberated fact at a time...'

[GregNH]

If you trace the hair line of the lighter one and compare that to Ohomo’s, they look identical to me, and yes the ear is very close to being the same.

[LucyT]

I’m pretty sure Intelius only lists relatives with whom one has actually lived.

In my case, two persons whom I've never met, no relation, never heard of them before, are listed on Intelius in connection with my name.

When I discovered this error, I paid a goodly sum to obtain Intelius reports about myself, and the identity thieves.

After much time spent, and hard work, I discovered a woman who worked inside the Capital One Credit Card Company office had used my name falsely, (identity theft) and added herself and her presumed husband to my records.

All three credit reporting agencies were notified, and Fraud Alerts were placed in my records, bank accounts, etc.

Capital One Credit Card Company said they had fired her, but these unknown people, a woman, and man, are still shown on online Intelius, whenever there is a search for my name.

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[Fred Nerks]

Poor Mary, Charlette LeFevre from SEATTLE MYSTERY TOURS wanted SO much to add another celebrity to her collection, SHE identified ANNA OBAMA - whose listing she found in the directory, as Stanley Ann Dunham.

At first interview, as you have pointed out, Mary herself only said she baby-sat for ANNA when her own daughter was 18 months of age. Her daughter was born in July, 1959.

To quote Charlette LeFevre - in January 2009:

“...During our first interview, Mary referred to Stanley Ann Dunham as ³Anna² not knowing that it was the same name as what was listed in the Seattle City Directory. This verified for us that indeed Mary had known Ann Dunham.”

“... She recalls as best she can the dates she baby sat Barack as her daughter was 18 months old and was born in July of 1959 and that would have placed the months of baby sitting Barack in January and February of 1962.

SEE THE ‘MISTAKE’? ADD 18 MONTHS TO JULY 1959 AND THE DATE IS IN JANUARY 1961! (NOT 1962!)

Then later Charlette adds this to her statements:

[Note: 9/3/09: I believe Mary’s daughter was older than what she remembered which would account for the age discrepency].

If it wasn’t so patently ABSURD one might be tempted to laugh.

[Seizethecarp]

“Fred Nerks has posted a copy of the newspaper article from one of the Honolulu papers in which 0bama Sr is stating that he hasn't been in Kenya for 7 years; article is dated 1962.”

It is not a quote from Obama Sr., it is hearsay, although Fred Nerks has repeatedly claimed it was a quote. Reporters get things wrong all the time, in my personal experience. They do background workup on the story, then do the interview, then merge the workup and interview and sometimes they make mistakes...compounded by several layers of editors.

For example the statement in the shorthand notes that Obama had been out of Kenya for 2 years might have been miscopied or misperceived as 7 years and then spelled out as “seven” years in the story.

That is why corroboration is necessary.

There is lots of evidence that BHO Sr. fathered a child in Kenya in 1959, arrived in Hawaii in 1959 and that child he fathered in Kenya with his name born to his tribal wife was born in 1960. There has been no evidence that BHO Sr. was anywhere other than Kenya between 1955 at age 19 and when he arrived in Hawaii in 1959 at age 23. FN has offered mention by the Kenya family of memory (decades later) of a letter mentioning marriage to "Toot" and work for an oil company, but the letter is not available and relies again of distant memories.

[Fred Nerks]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2702976/posts?page=509#509

you may recognize someone here

[DungeonMaster]

Obama's aunt angry at Trump (Now she claims family got letter from BHO Sr. in Hawaii)

I'm reminded of "Welcome back Carter" with Juan Ebstein bringing in fake letters from his mother that were always signed "Juan Ebstein's mother".

[Fred Nerks]

Funny...it’s the same article referred to in ‘Dreams’ - the article discovered with the ‘birth certificate and vaccination forms...’

It wasn’t hard to find, the kenyan left Hawaii June 22, 1962 and the interview with the Hawaii newspaper was conducted just before he left.

http://i668.photobucket.com/albums/vv47/MissieBessie/101117honoluluarticle4.jpg?t=1303249839

“OBAMA, WHO HAS BEEN AWAY FROM KENYA FOR SEVEN YEARS...”

Strange, who-ever wrote ‘Dreams’ must have missed the second last paragraph.

[bgill]

If you trace the hair line of the lighter one and compare that to Ohomo’s, they look identical to me, and yes the ear is very close to being the same.

Yep.

[bgill]

But if we want Trump to keep on this, I don’t know that he and his staff are ready to delve into all these false identies. It’s liable to turn him off.

You also realize that Joe Average would turn against the NBC in a flash because it’s just too much to try to wrap his mind around in his 60 second attention span. Of course, that may be what the usurper is hoping for.

[LucyT]

"And all Trump has to do, and he must know that, is keep asking for the birth certificate, because as you have shown in your summary, zero can't provide one.

The original would be for Barack Hussein Obama 11, with the birthdate of January and the maiden name of ANNA as the mother. And THAT alone, blows 'Dreams' totally apart."

516 posted on Sunday, April 17, 2011 9:00:07 PM by Fred Nerks

[bgill]

Wow. Where are the trolls? It’s too quiet. Kinda miss the little creatures.

[bgill]

When was Mary supposed to have babysat obama? If it was fall of 61, that would have put her baby at just over 2 years old, and certainly still in diapers.

Nope, mine were out of diapers by 18-19 months.

[Fred Nerks]

The original would be for Barack Hussein Obama 11, with the birthdate of January and the maiden name of ANNA as the mother.

[bgill]

And the right cheek dimple, the thin upper lip, the wide nose, and the wide whatchamacallem lines from the nose to the upper lip. Not to mention it looks like the usurper’s other little kiddo pictures. But this picture comes from Mark’s site and identifies the kids as David and himself.

[Fred Nerks]

...When was Mary supposed to have babysat obama? If it was fall of 61, that would have put her baby at just over 2 years old, and certainly still in diapers.

Mary didn't say she baby-sat in Fall 1961, Mary said she baby-sat when her daughter, born July 1959, was 18 months of age. That makes it JANUARY 1961.