A poster earlier in the thread wrote:
“I wonder if any recalls in all the birth certificate debates whether Kenya recognizes Obama as a citizen. If it does, then he shouldn’t be president.”
My argument was that there are many Americans, myself as well as my wife and children included, who are recognized by other nations as citizens of their nation.
Kenya may recognize Obama
Mexico may recognize Romney
The country where I was born not only recognizes me as a citizen, but also my wife and children who have never been to that country.
Now, simply because another country may recognize us as citizens of their nation, that factor has no bearing whatsoever on our status as U.S. citizens.
“The country where I was born not only recognizes me as a citizen, but also my wife and children who have never been to that country.
Now, simply because another country may recognize us as citizens of their nation, that factor has no bearing whatsoever on our status as U.S. citizens.”
On your status as “US citizens”, no. No bearing whatsoever.
But, let me pose a couple questions. If you were born of American parents in, say Argentina for example, and Argentina recognized you as a citizen because you were born there (as an anchor baby), would you not at that time be born a dual citizen - of Argentina and the US? A dual citizen subject to the jurisdiction of both Argentina (your place of birth) and the US (through the citizenship of your parents)?
Based on your theory, I think you think you would still be considered a natural born Citizen. Let’s then say you were elected President of the US and and we found ourselves at odds with Argentina. Let’s say you went to visit Argentina to negotiate a treaty with them. Could Argentina legally have you arrested because they consider you one of their citizens (let’s ignore the political consequences for this exercise), try you for treason and then execute you?
Interested in hearing your thoughts.
I have never jumped onboard, and have never considered the question to be Obama’s US citizenship. That is yet another red herring in this entire debate. I’ve questioned only his natural born citizenship, i.e., (as I understand the Framers’ intent) his being born with or without dual allegiance.
We have something like 300M US citizens, including you, your wife and children. We have only ONE holder of the Office of President of the United States. That one person is charged with, among other things, serving as Commander in Chief of all U.S. military forces. An awesome and special responsibility. And, for that reason, imo, the Framers inserted those two words, “natural born” as a qualification for that office, and for that office only.
In your case and Romney’s father’s case, you were born apparently with dual citizenship, but you were born of 2 US citizen parents. BHO, Sr. not only was never a U.S. citizen, so far as we know, he never so much as applied to be a U.S. citizen. He remained throughout his life a Kenyan/British citizen.
Due to his unfortunate parentage - both parents appear to have been totally self-centered with little care for the child(ren) they produced - they tarnished BHO Jr’s status as a ‘natural born’ US citizen. The father because he was never a US citizen, particularly at the time of BHO Jr’s birth, and the mother because, well, because.
Note that BHO Jr never wrote a book about his American lineage, about his grandfather who raised him, or his ancestors who pioneered and farmed in Kansas, or those who fought in the American Revolution. Oh, no, he reached out for his Kenyan roots. He chose to identify with that country and its culture. That is understandable for a child who was abandoned by his Kenyan father before his first memory. It is easy for a child in those circumstances to glorify the absent parent, much as adopted children do. But, is it understandable for the man who would serve as President of the United States? I would argue that BHO Jr. does not identify first and foremost, and ONLY as a US citizen.