Posted on 03/22/2011 1:23:41 PM PDT by STARWISE
While out promoting my new book, “Deconstructing Obama,” I have been asked a few times about Obama’s mysterious Social Security number.
Not knowing enough to speak authoritatively, I chose to swim upstream through the data flood and head for the source.
Here I found a no-nonsense licensed investigator from Ohio named Susan Daniels. Widowed at 30 with seven children, Daniels went back to school and eventually emerged as a certified paralegal.
After several years working for others, Daniels got her own license as an investigator in 1995. Since then, she has specialized in litigation support for law firms. Her particular strength has been in researching assets.
By her own admission, Daniels is “good with public records.” She knows her way around databases and has access to many that the public does not.
“I did not like the way things were going,” Daniels says of the country’s drift circa 2009. And so in the best spirit of citizen journalism, she began to investigate Obama on her own.
What she and fellow investigator Neil Sankey unearthed was a nugget that could have ended the career of a George Bush or a Sarah Plain: Barack Obama had been using a social security number issued in Connecticut between 1977 and 1979, a state in which he never lived or even visited at that time in his life.
This will not come as news to the readers of WorldNetDaily, whose thorough investigation climaxed last June when WND’s veteran White House correspondent Les Kinsolving confronted Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs on the subject.
Predictably, Gibbs laughed Kinsolving off and switched the subject to the birth certificate. Kinsolving had seen this kind of laugh and switch before. In 1982, for instance, he introduced the subject of AIDS to then press secretary Larry Speakes.
“Over a third of [the victims] have died,” said Kinsolving. “It’s known as ‘gay plague.’”
“I don’t have it. Do you?” joked Speakes to a general round of laughter. But unlike Gibbs, Speakes simply did not know any better.
As much as Daniels appreciates the work of WND and other serious investigators who have helped clarify the picture, she is distressed by the few who have clouded it.
“There have been many playing junior investigator from the start,” she jokes. “I don't know if they even have their decoder rings yet.”
This being the case, I asked Daniels to guide me through the data mine field and help me ascertain what we know for sure about the world’s best-known social security number--042-68-4425.
“All I can say,” says Daniels of 042-68-4425, “is that it’s phony and [Obama] has been using it, with it first appearing on his selective service document in 1980.”
Daniels sent me a copy of the hand-written application of the individual who held the number immediately before Obama’s, 042-68-4424. The applicant, Thomas Wood, died at age nineteen which is why his information is available.
Wood's Social Security number was issued sometime between March and May of 1977. Obama would turn sixteen in August of that year. Woods lived on Glenview Drive in Newington, Connecticut, the state from which all “042s” applied. Obama lived in Hawaii.
True to form, the left-leaning media set out to undermine the Social Security controversy and ridicule the investigators. Revealing, however, is the weakness of the response.
“Numbers are assigned based on the return address on the request envelope, not residency,” crowed Jason Linkins in the Huffington Post as though he had said something meaningful. Linkins suggested two possible explanations, both preposterous.
One is that Obama applied for his SSN as a little boy in Indonesia for no known reason, and the application just happened to be processed in Connecticut for no known reason either.
For the second, Jinkins cited the argument of Carole Glibert, in the Yahoo-related “Associated Content.” Said Gilbert, presumably with a straight face, “In fact, Barack Obama's dad attended college in Connecticut and in 1977, Obama was college aged; is it beyond reason to consider that he might have checked out his father's alma mater?”
Last time I checked, Harvard was in Massachusetts. The closest town to Harvard in Connecticut is about 90 minutes away, and there is no record that Obama Sr. lived there, let alone that Obama visited his imaginary alma mater and just happened to apply for a Social Security card while visiting.
Daniels also sent me a copy of Obama’s Selective Service data. Obama appears to have registered on September 4, 1980, a month after his nineteenth birthday. The form lists the telling last four digits of his “042” number, “4425.”
This is the first use of the “042” number that Daniels could find. She is just not sure it is legitimate. Some have credibly argued that the Selective Service information was forged and backdated once Obama became a presidential candidate.
“They were stupid to use the CT number on the [Selective Service] card,” Daniels adds, “because now there is no way for [Obama] to back out of that number.”
Rest @ link
I just did a search for Ludwig on google (yeah, I know) and a link to FR popped up. I didn’t notice until I was clicking on it that it had a blue link to block access to FR right after the cached link. I’ve never seen that before and I can’t get it to come back up again. What’s the deal? Here’s the current -
“Does President Obama Have a Bogus Social Security Number?Mar 18, 2011 ... This is what we know about Ludwig: In 1924, Jean Paul Ludwig worked ... But that Obama use the SSN of Sean Paul Ludwig is 100% confirmed by ...
www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2690740/posts?page=55 - Cached”
Thanks, bgill.
Which comment at this link are you referring to?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2690740/posts
#68 when charleywhiskey stated the number Hussein was using once belonged to Ludwig. I googled Ludwig and down the list of links was one for FR but I didn’t notice until right when I clicked on it that at the end where the blue cache link is was also a blue link to block FR. I’d never seen that before and wondered if you had ever seen such a block. Right before it transfered me (slow puter) I glanced at the other listed sites but none of them had a block link. When I hit “back” the block link was no longer there. Refreshing didn’t bring it back up either. I tried the same search in a new window but still no blue block link. It was just very strange and why FR?
Google is also having a play day with google maps today. I had a bookmark of directions between Madelyn’s apartment and Punahou School. It refused to load earlier so I retyped the addresses in a new window and the route map that came up showed Point A (apartment) in Ontario, Canada and Point B (school) in Mexico??? I’m getting real tired of all the game playing and scrubbing that’s going on all over the web.
Sorry, meant to ping you to #142.
To continue, here’s my old bookmark of the map route from his apartment to school. It used to work but today it doesn’t. You can see when the map flashes on that the Hospital of the Miraculous Birth is labeled, however today when I finally got the map to come up in a different search, the hospital is no longer labeled. Just more fun and games with the google pinheads.
“All your link proves is that there are other people with the name Barack Obama”
Yep, I mean what is unusual about that? It’s the same as if his name was John Smith.
A number associated with the President, being removed from the data base? You’re kidding me, right?
As the link below shows, replace the leading nine of his Honolulu zip code with a zero, and you'll get Connecticut zip code:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/03/deconstructing-jack-cashill/ Because of the typo, the system had him as living in CT, so it assigned him a SSN that starts with 042.
Once the number is assigned, it can't be changed, even after the zip code error was corrected, so that's his number to this day.
This would not be the first or last time some government bureaucrat mistyped a number.
As to the timing, 1977 makes perfect sense. He stated publicly that he got his first job at age 16, which means that's probably when he applied for his first social security card. And how old was he in 1977? You guessed it, 16.
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1. And what happens to your theory if there was NOT a typo error as you theorize above? Would that then make Obama a big time fraud and liar?
2. I'm confused about your explanation of the timeline of how a bureaucrat's unknowingly made a typing mistake and assigned the Social Security number to Obama.
3. Could you please explain your theory in more detail about the possible typo error, that is, could you please show us the trail of Obama's application from the time he dropped his application in the mail in Hawaii until Obama received his 042 Social Security card in Hawaii.
4. Computer did it? I'm sorry, but to me, basing your entire Obama theory on a clumsy Social Security typist has a lot of problems, when, for one thing, it is possible that the whole procedure was done by a computer, and a human hand never processed Obama's Social Security application? You have heard of computers, haven't you.
How about this simple solution: News reporters and private citizens simply ask Obama during the 2012 campaign to explain why his Social Security number seems to have been issued to a person living in Connecticut when Obama was living in Hawaii?
I bet Obama's response would be very interesting.
Just wondering: Why are reporters and tv talk show hosts so scared to ask Obama questions about such topics as his Social Security number, his Hawaii long form birth certificate, his Selective Service registration, and how he was able to obtain his first United States passport. Sad. So sad.
5. In another message here, you wrote that the IRS made a typo error in the zip code on a letter it sent you.
6. My reaction to your statement was this: You got the mail at the correct address even though the zip code was in error, didn't you? You make it sound as if the post office only delivers mail by the zip code number.
7. Is it possible that the post office double checked your mailing address because the zip code was in error, and it had the good sense to deliver your mail based on the mailing address instead of sending the letter to a place based solely on the zip code on the letter?
“Ah come on bush, keep an open mind. Curiosity has been here a reasonable amount of time. He is giving reasonable points of argument. We are about finding the truth, are we not?”
Yes we are, but curiosity is obfuscating and making excuses for Obama’s entire un-vetted life! He is a persistent pest!
JC
I have been lurking around here since ‘98 also and this the very first time I’ve read anything at all about your so-called “Sanity Squad”. Longevity and prior military service is no guarantee of sanity, and making excuses for a proven congenital liar is close to insanity!
JC
http://www.veromi.com/Search.aspx?sType=name&db=&fn=&mn=&ln=Obama&city=&state=MA&dobmm=&dobdd=&doby=
We (I) don’t make excuses for Obama. We dispute misinformation, squelch demonstrably false Internet rumors, and offer reasonable explanations as alternatives to some of the more outrageous birther conspiracies. See my FR homepage for just a few of the false rumors that have been repeated ad nauseum on FR. The best defense (& offense) that conservatives have is knowledge. We’re all after the truth. Rumors and misinformation don’t help the conservative cause and reflect poorly on FR as a whole.
If you’re unaware of the Sanity Squad, you must not have spent very much time on the eligibility threads. I didn’t suggest that seniority or military service should grant automatic trust.
We (I) don’t make excuses for Obama. We dispute misinformation, squelch demonstrably false Internet rumors, and offer reasonable explanations as alternatives to some of the more outrageous birther conspiracies. See my FR homepage for just a few of the false rumors that have been repeated ad nauseum on FR. The best defense (& offense) that conservatives have is knowledge. We’re all after the truth. Rumors and misinformation don’t help the conservative cause and reflect poorly on FR as a whole.
If you’re unaware of the Sanity Squad, you must not have spent very much time on the eligibility threads. I didn’t suggest that seniority or military service should grant automatic trust.
No. There are many innocent reasons why he might have been assigned an 042 SSN. The typo theory is just the most plausible.
2. I'm confused about your explanation of the timeline of how a bureaucrat's unknowingly made a typing mistake and assigned the Social Security number to Obama.
Okay. It's not very complicated. Obama fills out a hand-written application for a SS card at his local office, which in turn forwards it to the central office in Baltimore for processing. Some bureaucrat enters his zip code (along with all the other information) into a computer in order to generate a card. In so doing, said bureaucrat mistypes the lead digit of the zip code as a zero instead of a nine, which makes the computer think the zip code is in Connecticut. That, in turn, causes it to generate a social security number that begins with 042.
3. Could you please explain your theory in more detail about the possible typo error, that is, could you please show us the trail of Obama's application from the time he dropped his application in the mail in Hawaii until Obama received his 042 Social Security card in Hawaii.
That obviously can't be done, as the paper trail doesn't exist any more. I can't prove to any degree of certainty this theory is correct. My only contention is that it is the simplest theory that fits all the facts, making it the most plausible.
4. Computer did it? I'm sorry, but to me, basing your entire Obama theory on a clumsy Social Security typist has a lot of problems, when, for one thing, it is possible that the whole procedure was done by a computer, and a human hand never processed Obama's Social Security application?
No, it is not possible. Back in 1977, one could not submit an application via computer. The internet hadn't been invented yet. Instead, people generally filled out a paper application by hand. When the application reached the central office, some clerk had to type the information into a computer, as they did not have the advanced scanners of today.
You have heard of computers, haven't you. How about this simple solution: News reporters and private citizens simply ask Obama during the 2012 campaign to explain why his Social Security number seems to have been issued to a person living in Connecticut when Obama was living in Hawaii?
First of all, the first three numbers do not correspond to the state of residence of the applicant. They correspond to the state indicated by the zip code in the mailing address given in the application.
Second of all, Obama would most likely be truthful if he responded that he did not know why his SSN starts with a 042. Most people have no idea what the digits on their social security number mean. I had no idea that the first three digits correspond to the mailing address on the initial application until birthers started questioning Obama's SSN.
I bet Obama's response would be very interesting.
No, it would be very boring and predictable.
Just wondering: Why are reporters and tv talk show hosts so scared to ask Obama questions about such topics as his Social Security number,
Because no one other than a small fringe cares about such a silly questions.
his Hawaii long form birth certificate,
Because the long form is not necessary to establish his eligibility, which has already been established beyond reasonable doubt by other means.
his Selective Service registration,
Because there's nothing wrong with his registration. If you type his social security number into the SSR database, it verifies that his registration is in order.
and how he was able to obtain his first United States passport.
Because there is no reason to believe he obtained it in a manner different from anyone else.
In another message here, you wrote that the IRS made a typo error in the zip code on a letter it sent you.
That wasn't me.
6. My reaction to your statement was this: You got the mail at the correct address even though the zip code was in error, didn't you? You make it sound as if the post office only delivers mail by the zip code number.
This did not happen to me, but I suspect the post office was tipped of by the fact that the zip code on the letter did not match the city and state, in which case the post office probably inferred the zip code was in error. It's a good bet the same thing happened to Obama when the SSA sent him his card.
7. Is it possible that the post office double checked your mailing address because the zip code was in error, and it had the good sense to deliver your mail based on the mailing address instead of sending the letter to a place based solely on the zip code on the letter?
Again, this did not happen to me, but I would say yes, it is a good bet that the post office did that.
The abundance of Obama social security numbers may be a missed part of the cover-up of his identification - one that is undoubtedly causing the WH much consternation. Note, neither he or his spokespeople have never given an explanation for it, and doubtful they ever will. If anything, it cements America's distrust of this man and his unknown identity AND democrats and handlers responsible for this man's presidential candidacy and election. This issue is hotter than the sun itself and must be kept active (and people educated about it) on the political top burner.
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1. Are you saying above that back in 1977 that the federal government did not have any type of scanners at all?
2. It seems to me that you are blaming some clerk in Social Security's main processing office in Baltimore for accidentally typing a zero (0) instead of a "9" for Hawaii when the clerk worked on Obama's Social Security application. Is that really fair to workers at the Social Security Administration?
3. Social Security employee comment on the original poster's theory:
I would like to hear from present or former Social Security workers to explain to us if the person's theory above is plausible: A clerk in the Baltimore office may have accidentally made a typing mistake by typing a zero (0) instead of a "9" for Hawaii in Obama's Social Security application when it was sent to Baltimore from Hawaii, and that is the reason why Obama's Social Security number begins with a 042, a number usually given to residents of Connecticut.
4. Back in 1977, did ALL Social Security applications from Hawaii go straight to Baltimore?
NOTE: My apologies: If I said you wrote a message when you didn't write it, I apology for my mistake.
Why would a clerk mistype a number on an application? Presumably, Obama filled out the application and WROTE his zip code. It’s more likely that if a typo was made by a clerk, it was a keypuncher or a computer terminal operator. In 1977, the numeric pad would have been used to type numbers. Not the numbers that are along the top of a typewriter. The 0 and the 9 are not adjacent on a numeric keypad of a keypunch machine.
If you transcribe ANY initial numeral as a 9, you “get a CT zip code”. Upon what basis do you (or Dr. Conspiracy) assume that the zip code had anything to do with assigning SS#s? Why not simply use the state code: CT versus HI? Which, as you see, are not similar at all.
You seem to be grasping at straw (men) because you want to believe what you already believe. And you would prefer to simply rationalize away anything that doesn’t fit what you prefer to believe.
Taken alone, this might be seen as a simple curiosity (pun intended). However, there are far too many such inexplicable “facts” about this particular person to look the other way while true believers sweep them ALL under the rug.
Okay. So I just read the link you provided about the zip code in the MAILING address on the application for a SS#. So while it’s plausible that some clerk somewhere keypunched a 0 instead of a 9 (and assuming they never double checked their work, when usually keypunched information was first verified by another person), it’s as plausible that Obama had a CT mailing address on his application. He didn’t have to live there. Just had to use that as a mailing address. So why did he? It’s as likely, perhaps more likely, that he had a CT mailing address on the application than that some clerk made a “typo”. And your theory doesn’t explain the association of that number with a birth date of 1890.
Other examples of “lost” data: Bugs ate his school records in Indonesia and somehow the kindergarten he attended in Hawaii “lost” his records. That’s just two. There are more. For example, the numerous NEWS articles that state that he was born at Queen’s until he suddenly was born at Kapiolani. Another: The numerous news articles that gave his mother’s name as Shirley until she suddenly became. . . Ta Da! Stanley.
Mr. Ludwig is deceased and his SS# was not at all like Obama’s, except it was issued in CT.
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