"IRLI Got Some ‘Splainin To Do. (RE: Natural Born Citizen & Barry Obama)"
>>Something is very shady about this situation.<<
No sh!t Sherlock.
Just like termites, chewing a little piece here and there, and eventually the whole construct no longer stands. Death of the U.S. Constitution by a thousand cuts.
Leo is not only correct as to this situation being shady but also touches many other shady things about Obama and his enablers.
Your American Bar link doesn’t seem to be working. I tried it twice.
This seems to be an epidemic in some circles.
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Dr. Chiyome Fukino
-Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.
It did not say that there was a birth certificate, it said that there was a "record" of a birth certificate....
That record was most likely a result of a "late filing" by Obozo's grandmother, without presenting a birth certificate. There is no hospital record of his birth in HI (it is very unlikely he was born in HI). There is no record of Barrack H. Obama, Sr. ever living with Stanley Ann Dunham in HI. The only way that Obama could be a Natural Born U.S. Citizen is if Barrack H. Obama, Sr is not his father.
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Here is the statement by Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Health Department of the State of Hawaii:
"I ... have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen," Health Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said in a brief statement. "I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago."
(note- she said a "natural-born American citizen, NOT natural born United States Citizen.)
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Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Hawaii State Health Director, has issued a second statement Monday, July 27th confirming President Barack Obama was born in Honolulu, HI.
“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barrack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen.
(note- she said a "natural-born American citizen, NOT natural born United States Citizen.)
I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago,” Fukino said, in hopes of ending the controversy surrounding Obama’s citizenship.
Nowhere did she say that she had seen the original "birth certificate"
My question to him, as he is a lawyer & extremely familiar with the writing of laws was:
I am calling in regards to a question I have pertaining to how laws are written and how specific clauses within them are to be interpreted when there is no clarification in the definitions provided by the US code. The specific law I have a question on is the 14th Amendment. Our country is in dire straights financially and the influx of illegals having babies, which I call anchor babies, is costing this nation’s tax payers billions of dollars a year, thereby creating an undue burden on us in a time when the cost of living is already creating extra financial burdens due to Congressional overstepping & lack of oversight of the law.
So, my specific question is, can the phrase “subject to the jurisdiction” mean one thing for persons born and another for persons naturalized without it specifically separating the two in the initial language of the bill? If it does not, then that would mean that either there is no constitutional provision for anchor babies aka birthright citizenship for children born to parents in which one or more is an alien or that the oaths that immigrants must take renouncing any and all foreign allegiances is wholly unconstitutional and the US State Dept must immediately cease and desist in requiring it. If it is as some claim, that mere birth alone creates citizens, then it would also leave the Expatriation Act of 1868 formally known as “An Act concerning the Rights of American Citizens in foreign States” completely unconstitutional and thereby creating complete chaos of the laws of nations not to mention the treaties signed by our government from its founding. The Expatriation Act of 1868, known as the sister act to the 14th Amendment, is still in force today as part of Title 8, while some parts of it were transferred under Foreign Affairs. This law is the basis for the renunciation oath that all immigrants must take and is the law which gives Congress the right & authority to rebuke a naturalized citizen’s US citizenship status & have that person deported for “bad behavior”. It is also the law that states that dual allegiance is not now nor ever has been part of our legal system. The Act states: “whereas it is claimed that such American citizens, with their descendents, are subjects of foreign states, owing allegiance to the governments thereof; and whereas it is necessary to the maintenance of public peace that this claim of foreign allegiance should be promptly and finally disavowed” and then goes on to declare ” is hereby declared inconsistent with the fundamental principles of this government”.
From all the research into the congressional archives & past legislation that I have done from our founding to the present, and all the historical evidence that I have acquired, it is my conclusion that “subject to the jurisdiction” as it is written into the law can not suppose to repudiate itself nor are laws to be made that create redundancy. Gustafson v. Alloyd Co., Inc., 513 U.S. 561, 562 (1995). I would like to hear how Sen. Thune, being a lawyer & writer/author of our laws can suppose a phrase mean two different things in the same law without specifically addressing them separately?
Thank you for your time.
Now, I specifically did not attempt a conversation regarding presidential qualifications as I have been down that road with them and gotten no where. I decided to take task at a specific critical issue facing our country today & an issue that has legislation in the works but can yield the same results. I’ll be calling them back on Monday for my answer as Sen Thune will be back in the state tomorrow, as he is every Friday unless Congress is still in session. I also find I get much better results working with the local staff than I do with his “form letter writers” in DC.
This article got me curious, so I googled this up. Is it the position of proponents of the natural-born illegitimacy argument that these six other presidents were illegitimate too?
Some of these presidents weren’t the greatest ever but it does lend precedent. In light of historical precedent, I think the birth certificate questions are stronger than the natural-born argument honestly.
“Only six other U.S. presidents had a foreign-born parent. Mr. Obama will be the first in nearly ninety years, since President Herbert Hoover was inaugurated in 1929.”
“Andrew Jackson (1829-1837) is the only president born of two immigrants, both Irish. Presidents with one immigrant parent are Thomas Jefferson (1801-1809), whose mother was born in England, James Buchanan (1857-1861) and Chester Arthur (1881-1885), both of whom had Irish fathers, and Woodrow Wilson (1913-1921) and Herbert Hoover (1929-1933), whose mothers were born respectively in England and Canada.”
"UPDATE 2: 4:40 PM March 18, 2011: This issue is the top story at American Thinker right now with a link and hat tip to this blog. The article, “Obama’s Puddles”, was written by longtime reader Sallyven. Thanks to her and AT for the excellent work.
UPDATE: 4:02 PM March 18, 2011: Patrick J. Charles misquoted Bingham again in the BYU Journal of Public Law back in June 2010. It’s the same exact misquote which has the words “of parents” omitted from Bingham’s statement on the floor of the House. Not cool."
http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2011/03/17/irli-got-some-splainin-to-do/
Send this to Trump......
Wonder how deeply he feels about our country being destroyed from within? He has the money to figure it out and probably the investigators/lawyers to get this fixed!
One can hope right?
OMG.
God bless and protect Leo Donofrio.
Obama is trying to change history, so that he can continue his usurpation.
God damn him and all his minions to the deepest hell.