Posted on 03/13/2011 7:28:02 AM PDT by Sasparilla
Sargent York claimed bird hunting success in the Tennessee hills by saying, "I lead 'em just a hair." It took more than that to bring down this Mig fighter. You've seen pictures of rebels riding Soviet ZPU-4 14.5MM type Anti-Aircraft Guns like cowboys. It reminds you of the crazed twin .50 caliber gunner in "Waterworld." A lucky shot happens every now and then. Here's the video...
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Sometimes by dumb luck an aircraft can hit a bullet in a vulnerable spot. An untrained gunner, I agree, will definitely fail to apply proper lead. Ya never know, though.
BTW, were your students using tracers?
Bad sensor mechanism, obviously ;o
Thank you for the reply. I couldn’t tell what they were saying.
There are times when the enemy of your enemy is NOT your friend, but just another enemy you will eventually have to fight. Think Hitler vs Stalin.
Whether the guys who you want to give Stingers to would be people who would shoot down an airliner, you cannot guarantee that they would not sell an extra Stinger or two to others. Once the Jihadis have Stingers, you also cannot guarantee that they will not bring them across our porous borders and shot something down in the US.
‘’ZSU-23 bingo/Zsu-23 bingo/Zsu-23 bingo/ that’s the name of the game...’’ (apologies to Frankie and Annette.)
My recollection was that we were trained not to bother firing on aircraft. The chances of success were so low that it was considered a waste of ammo. I can certainly see firing at a helicopter, though some helicopters are so well armed it might just draw fire.
I would rather have them shouting about God than profanity. The rebels will be better—this isn’t Iran folks.
This was around 1975. The North Vietnamese had brought down U.S. Jets by firing directly into the air. I have no idea what the current doctrine is. I thought it sounded silly. I remember hiking on the hills above our Kasern and what jets perform practice runs over it. When you are on the ground, by the time you hear the engine, the plane is gone.
In this case...we can afford to trade one bad actor for another.....
Regardless, we have a better shot of some control of direction than the current regime....
Plus, there is the payback factor....
I don’t think so, as the weapon once locked on tracked the aircraft itself. The operator was there to pull the trigger and visually make sure it was the right aircraft. ( as i remember, which isn’t good anymore )
Today's demonstration was to show the Skysweeper could kill ground targets as well as air targets. The Brits had rigged some old tanks with tow cables to be winched across the range. The Skysweeper, designed to kill jets, had no problem dealing with the lumbering tank targets. And then an RAF Hawker Hunter decided to buzz the range.
The Skysweeper was functioning in full automatic mode. Before anyone could react, the radar acquired the target, laid the gun on target and fired three rounds. The first hit the jet (pilot ejected). The second missed. The third took out the pilot's parachute.
End of exercise. The witnesses were IMPRESSED!
That’s as lucky as you get in life( for the pilot )
I dunno, I wonder how lucky he felt when his parachute got shot.
ZSU-23’s brought down a lot of Israeli jets
It would go right through. A small hole, a few cords cut.
The single bullet, big sky, dumb luck shot was also replicated in the movie “Flight of the Intruder” where Jake Grafton's Bombardier-Navigator gets shot by an old papa-san with a Mosin-Nagant rifle.
If it’s a fragmentation round, the pilot could be really messed up. If he’s lucky there’s a conical debris pattern, he’s under it and all that happens is the parachute gets turned to Swiss cheese.
A Korean guy who was in an ROK HAWK battery told me they used to like to drive golf balls down range in front of the HAWK tracking radar. HAWK radar is angle only, it would pick up and lock on to the golf ball. It was for amusement.
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