Japanese Government Confirms Meltdown

RightBias ^ | March 13, 2011 | Stratfor

[nancyvideo]

Japan’s Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency (NISA) said March 12 that the explosion at the Fukushima Daiichi No. 1 nuclear plant could only have been caused by a meltdown of the reactor core, Japanese daily Nikkei reported. This statement seemed somewhat at odds with Japanese Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano’s comments earlier March 12, in which he said “the walls of the building containing the reactor were destroyed, meaning that the metal container encasing the reactor did not explode.”

[sushiman]

Knew he was lying when I saw him on TV ...The eyes are the windows to the soul ...He is not a very good actor .

[Scanian]

You wanna bet that some green freak will try to blame the quake on the US as some sort of delayed reaction to the atomic bombs dropped on Japan in 1945, perhaps?

They’ll say something like, “The explosions set off a slow but inevitable tectonic chain reaction which eventually led to the events of the past week.”

I love anticipating liberal idiocies.

[J Aguilar]

That is simply not true. Yesterday’s early hours were the best because all these guys were still sleeping and could not fill internet with such unaccurate articles.

[listenhillary]

” the explosion at the Fukushima Daiichi No. 1 nuclear plant could only have been caused by a meltdown of the reactor core”

This is simply not true.

[flat]

“I love anticipating liberal idiocies.”

i’ll tell you what caused all this....you want to know what it waz? i’ll tell you what it wuz, ernest..... it wuz 1. the abandonment of kyoto; along wif 2. Palin hate-speech...

[Eye of Unk]

I believe the explosion was just from an excess of cryogenic hydrogen they were using to cool the reactor, something most people are unwilling to talk about.

Kinda like what will the dog do when it catches the car.

Get the air fuel mixture too high in the containment building and a spark and kaboom.

[Scanian]

The cauldron of evil that is the USA has done more than enough damage to the planet to force the goddess Gaia to overreact in anger and we’ve seen the result.

/s

[GonzoGOP]

I believe the explosion was just from an excess of cryogenic hydrogen they were using to cool the reactor,

Since they use high pressure water not cryogenic hydrogen to cool the reactor your belief just goes to show that you don't know what is going on in the reactor. The hydrogen in the building was cause by the disassociation of the hydrogen and oxygen in the coolant water. The chemical reaction that causes the disassociation takes place when the fuel rods are uncovered. So if you have enough hydrogen to go boom, it indicates that the rods are uncovered and probably damaged.

[Eye of Unk]

Yes the wonderful advances of the internet, when we are wrong someone will point it out.

Yes you may be correct no doubt.

But at what point do we know the absolute truth when we have the MSM and all of our resources being monitored, censored and manipulated for control or political purposes?

just in the last hour FOX is still trying to say the whole plant will explode, still trying to possible keep its story moving for viewership.

[Thermalseeker]

I believe the explosion was just from an excess of cryogenic hydrogen...

White smoke seen immediately after the explosion would seem to confirm that.

[GonzoGOP]

But at what point do we know the absolute truth when we have the MSM and all of our resources being monitored,

Well when it comes to the absolute truth about using cryogenic hydrogen in a pressurized water reactor you could get that out of a physics book. Or talk to anyone who has ever operated one. A lot of guys have been through navy nuke school and any one of them can bring you up to speed on how a pressurized water reactor works. And cryogenic hydrogen doesn't come into the picture.

As for the chemical reaction that brigs about the disassociation of hydrogen an oxygen that is high school chemistry. And unlike the laws the politicians write in DC the laws of physics, engineering and chemistry don't give a darn about spin. Probably why I have always preferred the company of engineers to politicians. Trust physics, trust chemistry, and when given the choice trust people with engineering degrees over those with journalism degrees.

There is a ton of material out there about the functioning of pressurized water reactors. This is 1960s technology and not classified. Solid engineering documents that predate Obama and are free of political spin or media hype. As Glen Beck is so fond of saying, don't trust me, look it up.

[Daveinyork]

Do they call it the England Syndrome?

[GonzoGOP]

White smoke seen immediately after the explosion would seem to confirm that.

Actually most of the "smoke" was concrete dust from the destroyed containment building. Remember the big clouds of dust after the buildings fell on 9/11. A H2 + O2 => H2O reaction doesn't produce any smoke at all. It is just about the cleanest chemical reaction possible. The H2O vapor created in the reaction is too hot to be visible and won't become visible steam until it has had time to condense, and in a reaction open to the air it will have dispersed too much by then.

[ZX12R]

White smoke seen immediately after the explosion would seem to confirm that.

Not any sort of expert here, but when I watched the video of the building blowing, this is how I would describe what I saw:

A sudden breach in the containment of a very large amount of a very high pressure gas, not an ignited explosion. The white cloud looked to me like concrete/building debris, due to the instantaneous failure and release of pressure. What that could have been, I've no idea.

[mad_as_he$$]

HARP is already being blamed on many sites. Started a few minutes after the quake.

[Nobel_1]

Re: explosion

Several experts report the explosion was from high pressure steam and hydrogen when pressures in the secondary containment at unit 1 reached 840 kPa (122 psi).

See “Forensic Analysis Of Events At Fukushima Nuclear Plant
“ in parallel post at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2687850/posts

[ZX12R]

Several experts report the explosion was from high pressure steam and hydrogen when pressures in the secondary containment at unit 1 reached 840 kPa (122 psi).

Thanks, Nobel_1. I wonder if that was the estimated/expected breach pressure, for the secondary containment?

[Yardstick]

So does a meltdown of the reactor core necessarily mean that the metal container ruptured? I don’t think it does, and if it doesn’t, then I’m not seeing a contradiction from the spokesman.

The walls of the building could have been destroyed by a hydrogen/steam explosion or by the earthquake, leaving the reactor core and its metal container intact. And it’s also possible that the reactor did indeed melt down but that the container contained it.

As I understand it, the situation doesn’t become a disaster until the reactor melts down AND the container ruptures, releasing the radioactive core material. As far as I can tell, that hasn’t happened.

[Scanian]

Sounds like a perfect way to lay blame on the US but I didn’t realize Japan was involved in that.