Governor Palin: Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

Ironic that you are promoting what OTHERS say about MLK; what liars and enemies of the United States, and spies say about an American man who promotes peace, and preaches about Jesus Christ.

Here are some of MLK's beliefs concerning Jesus.

In a paper discussing the creation of orthodox beliefs, King argues that the virgin birth story represents a pre-scientific worldview: Christ's followers believed that Jesus's uniqueness could only be explained biologically. According to King, Jesus's early disciples saw his "spiritual life so far beyond theirs" that any attempt to explain his existence as human was inadequate. He concludes, "We of this scientific age will not explain the birth of Jesus in such unscientific terms."[v] This same type of thinking led Christ's followers to externalize their inner experience of his lasting power through the story of the bodily resurrection. Those who knew Jesus "had been captivated by the magnetic power of his personality," King writes, which led them to believe that he "could never die."[vi] The living and eternal presence they experienced was then transferred into the story of a bodily resurrection.

The orthodox attempt to explain the divinity of Jesus in terms of an inherent metaphysical substance within him seems to me quite inadequate. To say that the Christ, whose example of living we are bid to follow, is divine in an ontological sense is actually harmful and detrimental. To invest this Christ with such supernatural qualities makes the rejoinder: "Oh, well, he had a better chance for that kind of life than we can possibly have ..." So that the orthodox view of the divinity of Christ is in my mind quite readily denied. The significance of the divinity of Christ lies in the fact that his achievement is prophetic and promissory for every other true son of man who is willing to submit his will to the will and spirit of God. Christ was to be only the prototype of one among many brothers. The appearance of such a person, more divine and more human than any other, and in closest unity at once with God and man, is the most significant and hopeful event in human history. This divine quality or this unity with God was not something thrust upon Jesus from above, but it was a definite achievement through the process of moral struggle and self-abnegation. [iii]

In a paper entitled "A View of the Cross Possessing Biblical and Spiritual Justification," King describes the various different views of the meaning of the cross throughout history and then concludes: "Any doctrine which finds the meaning of atonement in the triumph of Christ over such cosmic powers as sin, death and Satan is inadequate.... If Christ by his life and death paid the full penalty of sin, there is no valid ground for repentance or moral obedience as a condition of forgiveness. The debt is paid; the penalty exacted, and there is, consequently, nothing to forgive."[xiv]

So which Jesus was MLK promoting?

1. The one from the Bible
2. Or something from his weak and sinful reasoning.

See post #41 and read through the link (also a Freerepublic post) before you attack PetroniusMaximus.

MLK was not the Christian you think he was.

Where do you get this scope into my brain to know what “sort of Christian I think MLK was”?

Did you borrow it from Karl Rove?

Haw, haw, haw.

Again, this is someone else’s spin on what King had to say, in 1949; before he got saved!

Most of us, when we were young, had ‘weak sinful reasoning’! We had radical ideas and did stupid things. Some of us were even Democrats...Michael Savage is one I think of; and secondly one of the most radical changes has been found in Jon Voight. It would not be fair to define the man by what he he said in 1973! And it is not fair to define King by what he said early on either. He grew up, he actually studied and looked at his true beliefs. He was taken through the fire, and refined—he found in the dark night, that his “resoning” and “beliefs” were lacking, and they did not give him strength. He knew that he had to go to Jesus for that strength, and he did.

He said, “But before I was a civil rights leader, I was a preacher of the gospel. This was my first calling and it still remains my greatest commitment. You know, actually all that I do in civil rights I do because I consider it a part of my ministry. I have no other ambitions in life but to achieve excellence in the Christian ministry. I don’t plan to run for any political office. I don’t plan to do anything but remain a preacher.”....

“and I’m going on believing and knowing that God is alive. You see, as long as love is around, God is alive. As long as justice is around, God is alive. There are certain conceptions of God that needed to die, but not God. You see, God is the supreme noun of life; he’s not an adjective. He is the supreme subject of life; he’s not a verb. He’s the supreme independent clause; he’s not a dependent clause. Everything else is dependent on him, but he is dependent on nothing.

One day Moses had to grapple with it and God sent him out and told him to tell the people that “I Am sent you.” And Moses wondered about it, and he said, “Well, what am I to tell the folk?” He said, “Just go on and tell them that I Am sent you. And then if you need a little more information, let them know that my first name is the same as my last, ‘I Am that I Am.’” And God is the only being in the universe that can say that “I Am,” and stop there. Whenever I say, “I am,” I have to say, “I am because of”—because of my parents, because of my environment, because of hereditary circumstances. And each of you has to say you are because of something. But God is life supreme. Now God, the power that holds the universe in the palm of his hand, is the only being that can say, “I Am,” and put a period there and never look back. And don’t be foolish enough to forget him.
You know, a lot of people are forgetting God. They haven’t done it theoretically, as others have done through their theories—postulated through the God-is-dead theology—but a lot of people just get involved in other things. (Yes) And so many people become so involved in their big bank accounts and in their beautiful expensive automobiles that they unconsciously forget God. So many people become so involved in looking at the man-made lights of the city that they forget to think about that great cosmic light that gets up early in the morning in the eastern horizon and moves with a kind of symphony of motion like a masterly queen strolling across a mansion and paints its technicolor across the blue as it moves—a light that man could never make. Some people have become so involved in looking at the skyscraping buildings of the cities that they’ve forgotten to think about the gigantic mountains, kissing the skies, as if to bathe their peaks in the lofty blue—something that man could never make. So many people have become so involved in televisions and radar that they’ve forgotten to think about the beautiful stars that bedeck the heavens like swinging lanterns of eternity, standing there like shining silvery pins sticking in the magnificent blue pincushion—something that man could never make. So many people have come to feel that on their own efforts they can bring in a new world, but they’ve forgotten to think about the fact that the earth is the Lord’s and the fulness thereof. And so they end up going over and over again without God.
But I tell you this morning, my friends, there’s no way to get rid of him. And all of our new knowledge will not diminish God’s being one iota. Neither the microcosmic compass of the atom nor the vast interstellar ranges of interstellar space can make God irrelevant for living in a universe, where stellar distance must be measured in light years, where stars are five hundred million million miles from the earth, where heavenly bodies travel at incredible speeds. Modern man still has to cry out with the Psalmist, “When I behold the heavens, the work of thy hands and all that thou hast created; what is man, that thou is mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou hast remembered him?”

That’s a pretty good analysis.

You may be a “comedian” but I think you are correct. I see Sarah in the same role as MLK—the leader of the march, the organizer, the standard bearer. She motivates and inspires others to join the fight for freedom and liberty. She is the heart of the movement.

MLK would not have been as effective as a Senator or even President. I don’t think Palin will either.

I thought so too. I think we need to remind the left that he said these things..

I've provided documented proof to you concerning the lack of faith on the part of MLK.

You've given me nothing but a lot of hope that the belief you have that he is a Christian is accurate and true. No facts, no documented proof to support your contention.

Furthermore, there are multiple articles/testimonies of those who have researched out MLK's life that will provide more substantiation of the fact that MLK was not a Christian.

1. He did not believe in the deity of Christ
2. He did not believe in the Crucifixion of Christ
3. He did not believe in the infalliability of the Bible.
4. He did not believe in the Virgin birth of Christ.

The man was heretic, he was not a Christian.

Was Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. A Christian?

I've provided you with two sites of information providing documentation concernin the lack of Christian faith on the part of MLK, without which, according to the Bible, we will not see God, we will not make Heaven.

Until you can provide me with documentation that shows he truly repented of his unbelief later in life, you are believing in fairy tales.

I know this, because if he had truly repented, he would have been shouting it from the roof-tops.

Do a google search. You won't find one instance of documented proof of MLK stating he was either born-again or Saved in the Christian sense.

Here is more by MLK jr. On Communism:

Here is the truth concerning the Marxist nature of MLK, the part you either left out or apparently were not aware of:

"King, however, believed in government sway, calling capitalism a system "permitting necessities to be taken from the many to give luxuries to the few. " The "profit motive" has "encouraged smallhearted men to become cold and conscienceless."

Here is more by MLK jr. On Communism:

More on the Marxist nature of MLK:

"King claimed that the "good and just society is neither the thesis of capitalism nor the antithesis of communism, but a socially conscious democracy which reconciles the truths of individualism and collectivism."

No, I looked at what you provided, and spent a great deal of time typing up my responses, that you obviously have not read.

And I have told you that I do not accept gossip. I do not accept what others have to say about King, anymore than I accept what others have to say about Sarah Palin’s motives and beliefs! I read his own writings, and make up my own mind...but you are really more interested in feeding your own bias. You are not interested in what the man had to say about his own beliefs near the end of his life! Things he said twenty years before, and which are taken out of context by people who want to promote their own agenda...I have no interest in hearing.

So, my friend, I guess we are at the end of our conversation. Thank you.

And I have told you that I do not accept gossip. I do not accept what others have to say about King, anymore than I accept what others have to say about Sarah Palin’s motives and beliefs! I read his own writings, and make up my own mind...but you are really more interested in feeding your own bias. You are not interested in what the man had to say about his own beliefs near the end of his life! Things he said twenty years before, and which are taken out of context by people who want to promote their own agenda...I have no interest in hearing.

1. There is no comparison between MLK and Sarah Palin, none whatsover.
2. You've provided no evidence to refute his lack of Faith that he stated in his own words. None.

You're right, we are not going to agree on this.

Believing in fairy tales does nothing to further the cause of Truth, whether in terms of Christianity or Politics.

"Believing in fairy tales does nothing to further the cause of Truth, whether in terms of Christianity or Politics."

Well, on that point, we agree. And you refuse to read the truth. Refuse to read what I posted that the man said, or anything besides gossip. You will have to answer to the Lord, not me. All my best.

No, I looked at what you provided, and spent a great deal of time typing up my responses, that you obviously have not read.

And I have told you that I do not accept gossip. I do not accept what others have to say about King, anymore than I accept what others have to say about Sarah Palin’s motives and beliefs!

No, I've read all your posts on this thread. I have also read MLK's own words and testimonies. I have also done other research, which apparently you have not.

There is no documented proof that MLK "repented and believed" the Gospel, became "born again", recieved the salvation of Christ, none.

There is, however, ample evidence that he did not believe major and salient parts of the Gospel. Documented evidence in his own writings and statements.

You have not provided evidence otherwise.

You are believing in fairy tales where MLK is concerned.

I was around for Reagan and Palin is Reagan in High Heels! She is better looking, but Reagan was not in his prime.

Palin is quicker in getting her words out than any politician in the last 50 years, this is a sign she says what she believes! Finally, someone who tells the Truth!

Some people seems to think a woman can’t run this country, that’s another reason why she needs to be the first woman President!

She would do a lot to hurt the men having sex with men lifestyle, Normal would be back in again! That’s probably the biggest reason that the anti Palin freepers keeping spurring out all the same negatives Reagan lived with, yes, our token liberal democrat Trolls and with their sick lifestyle!

the myth continues....she is no Reagan on this topic
none of them are

they all lack the stones to tell the real truth about St Martin

funny isn't it?

King worship on a conservative site.....ignorance or brainwashed?

u r delusional

She would do a lot to hurt the men having sex with men lifestyle, Normal would be back in again!

You know, that's an interesting angle. For so long, America's media has tried to brainwash us that beautiful=slutty, and pretty can't be smart, and smart women are ugly (I'm looking at you, Helen Thomas, Oprah, and Michelle), and ugly is beautiful (same group). And along comes Sarah and with one effortless swipe, wipes out every stereotype the Left has attempted to pin on women.

And we don't even need to get into the honesty and fortitude attributes that absolutely terrify the Left when they are manifested by anyone on the Right, let along someone on the right who violates every single one of their degrading stereotypes of women.

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