Celebrate the Birthday Today of Greatest Freedom Fighter in History- Joan of Arc

MaidOfHeaven.com ^ | 01-06-11 | Ben D. Kennedy

[Mrs. Don-o]

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[Oztrich Boy]

You are confusing freedom and indiviual rights with being ruled by a natural born tyrant.

France was, and would be for another 350 years, constitutionally a despotism ruled by one man. “L'Etat, c'est moi”.

While England had already checked

• Magna Carta (200 years)
• Parlimentary System (100+ years)

[DTogo]

You are obviously misinterpreting my comment, except for yes, the state of our modern Republic is disgusting - and most FReepers would likely agree with me.

[allmendream]

“The same could be paraphrased to describe our Founding Fathers:

Fighting for “freedom” to be eventually ruled by home-grown autocrats instead of an English autocrat... “

No, I did not misinterpret the above. You clearly are saying that our Founding Fathers were fighting only for the (scare quoted, to indicate that it wasn't real) “freedom” to be eventually ruled by home-grown autocrats.

That is NOT what they were fighting for, nor are we or have we been been ruled by an autocrat.

I think most FReepers would be disgusted at your comment that our Founding Fathers were no more fighting for freedom (or “freedom” as you would have it) than a French Monarchist fighting off the English Monarchy is fighting for freedom.

Your comment is absolutely disgusting, and anti-American, and absolutely ahistorical. Ignorant wrong and repellent.

[poetbdk]

# 1 Charles VII, the man who Joan of Arc helped gain the throne was not a tyrant.

#2 Words on a piece of paper like the Magna Carta do not guarantee “freedom and individual rights.” Just look at us here today, our federal government does not obey our Constitution.

#3 While I prefer a republican form of government like out founding fathers tried to establish I understand, as most of them did, that the ideal form of government is a benevolent monarchy with Jesus Christ as the King.

Suggest you do some more study on history and political theory!

[de.rm]

#4. Most pedestrian's when polled think she was Noah's wife, that's the greater problem(masses of reprogrammed a$$ monkeys).

[Neoliberalnot]

Joan did what she thought, was fighting for the freedom of her country. She had no idea what the outcome would eventually be. Similarly, those that fought for our freedom in the revolutionary war also fought for freedom. Sometimes, things don’t turn out like freedom-fighters intended. Look today at the tyrant who has gained the highest office—a hateful anti-american bent on destroying our country and our freedom.

[poetbdk]

Absolutely agree, which is why I do what I do. The government run school systems will not teach the truth about great freedom fighters like Joan of Arc because they do not want anyone to be like her. It does not end with the schools, however, as most Christians are taught in our churches today that to resist tyranny is wrong. I believe Joan’s life is the best example of how a Christian can fight for freedom.

[JimRed]

She freed France so it could surrender to the Germans- twice!

When we won it from the Krauts fair and square, we should have kept it as an arrogant little national park!

[Oztrich Boy]

She freed France so it could surrender to the Germans- twice!

Everybody forgets about the Franco-Prussian War (the one the French started)

[Antoninus]

I highly recommend Mark Twain's book on the subject. “Maid of Heaven”.

Absolutely. A positively great book. I always think of it as Twain's penance for writing the scurrilously anti-Catholic Connecticut Yankee.

[allmendream]

Not sure how Pro-Catholic the Joan of Arc story is....

She was burned at the stake for heresy via the findings of a Catholic Church court proceedings.

Makes the Catholic Church out to be, at best, the pawns of the politics of the day and thus at the time, the servants of the English.

[Antoninus]

While England had already checked

You are assuming that a corrupt semi-republic is a superior form of government to a benevolent monarchy. Along with Machiavelli, I'm not sure I agree with that assumption.

[latina4dubya]

She was a sister who really cooked.

haha... first thing that came to my mind... Joan of Arc with the Lord to guide her... she was a sister who really cooked... i grew up watching Maude!

[latina4dubya]

The same could be paraphrased to describe our Founding Fathers:

oh brother! you can't really mean that...

[latina4dubya]

Your comment is absolutely disgusting, and anti-American, and absolutely ahistorical. Ignorant wrong and repellent.

thank you for taking this on! i appreciate everything you have said on this thread...

[poetbdk]

I think Twain's biography about Joan is the best fictional account ever written and I have the whole book posted online(it is in the public domain) at MaidOfHeaven.com You can find a link to the book at:
http://www.maidofheaven.com/joanofarc_mark_twain.asp
as well as some other fascinating information about Twain in regard to Joan of Arc.

[dfwgator]

haha... first thing that came to my mind... Joan of Arc with the Lord to guide her... she was a sister who really cooked... i grew up watching Maude!

The singer of that theme was the late, great Donny Hathaway.

[Antoninus]

Not sure how Pro-Catholic the Joan of Arc story is....She was burned at the stake for heresy via the findings of a Catholic Church court proceedings. Makes the Catholic Church out to be, at best, the pawns of the politics of the day and thus at the time, the servants of the English.

Uh, she's a saint of the Catholic Church. Even at that time, everyone knew that her "trial" was a politically-motivated farce brought about by a cadre of cleric who were pawns of the English. Within a couple decades after her death, she had been completely rehabilitated by the Pope and her persecutors were shamed and their actions condemned.

[poetbdk]

As long as we have brought up Mark Twain here is a great quote by him about Joan of Arc being the greatest patriot which I will let stand as a rebuttal to those who questioned me for saying she is the greatest freedom fighter in history: "Love, Mercy, Charity, Fortitude, War, Peace, Poetry, Music--these may be symbolized as any shall prefer: by figures of either sex and of any age; but a slender girl in her first young bloom, with the martyr's crown upon her head, and in her hand the sword that severed her country's bonds--shall not this, and no other, stand for PATRIOTISM through all the ages until time shall end?"