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To: bvw
What speaks for a marriage? A 1964 divorce decree, with the receipt of service to Senior, signed and hand dated in American date format.

Well, sport, to any rational person, that's definitive. People can't get divorced unless they can prove they were married in the first place.

And there have been claims by Kenyan officials,

Off-the-cuff remarks in political speaches by memebers of parliament who have no special knowledge of the matter don't count as evidence.

American and African reporters,

Reporters get facts wrong, and as far as I know, all of these stories were corrected.

and perhaps informal setting statements reported of Michelle Obama, Obama’s Kenyan “aunt” and maybe Obama himself, that make claims of his being born in Africa

Neither Obama, nor his aunty, nor his wife have ever said anything to this effect. These are all just unsubstantiated birther rumors.

The short length of the supposed marriage weights to its non-existence,

Why? Most marriages that end in divorce are short, and most marriages end in divorce.

as does Stanley Ann’s late August 1961 appearance in Seattle while Senior remained studying and partying in Hawaii.

Why? Plenty of young brides run away from their husbands after they realize they made a big mistake.

The photos from that period testify as to his charms on women, which also weighs against a marriage.

No it does not. Plenty of womanizers marry and then cheat on their wives.

Where are the photos of a pregnant wife? Aren’t alpha-males like Senior proud in their ability to procreate?

Where are the photos of a pregnant Barbara Bush? Are you now going to suggest she wasn't really married to Bush senior? After all, official documentation of their marriage hasn't been released.

When exactly DID Stanley Ann arrive on the west coast, either in Seattle US, or Vancouver Canada?

Some time in late August.

Where’s the evidence of her being in Hawaii anytime during the summer or spring of 1961? As far as I know, nothing.

Well, for starters there's the certification of live birth, photographs of which have been made public.

To be most judicious to the evidences and statements (none under oath) we have on the matter of Obama’s birth and first few months of life: We do not know where Obama was born.

Yes we do. There's the certification of live birth, which is an official state document that certifies the facts of his birth and is good in any court of law.

We also have statements by Hawaii government officials, while not made under oath, were still made in an official capacity.

We do not know if his mom was really married,

Yes we do. The divorce decree proves it.

We do not know where Stanley Ann was in the spring and summer of 1961.

We know she was in Hawaii in August 1961, from the COLB. We also know her husband was taking classes in Hawaii during the spring.

The determination of the facts of those circumstances simply cannot be honestly said to be able to make.

Yes it can, unless you are a birther determined to ignore all the evidence.

244 posted on 01/06/2011 10:15:19 AM PST by curiosity
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To: curiosity
Where are the photos of a pregnant Barbara Bush?


247 posted on 01/06/2011 11:41:30 AM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: curiosity
We know she was in Hawaii in August 1961, from the COLB.

You've seen something besides the proven forgery?
248 posted on 01/06/2011 11:43:30 AM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8)
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