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Most-likely scenario? (Re-emergence of the "birth certificate" issue explained)
vanity | 12/31/10 | txnuke

Posted on 12/31/2010 9:55:41 PM PST by txnuke

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To: Ingtar; Texas Fossil
"I believe the birth certificate reveals another father, one who is an American citizen. "

A possibility no doubt. However, why would his last name be "Obama" then? Isn't taking all those oaths of office (state Senator, U.S.Senator and Potus) under a false name unlawful? Probably multiple felonies no less. What about the world famous short form jpeg on the WWW proudly displayed on HIS campaign web site? Isn't government document fraud illegal as well? No doubt he would be a Natural Born Citizen IF born in HI to two citizen parents...but then he's exposed to numerous felonies. Impeachment anyone?

"I think they have been stringing this along to try to make opponents look bad. Somehow, they’ve decided they have a chance in 2012, so he wants it cleared up and damage done."

If that was their plan, with this issue clearly not going away...and perhaps even growing, they STILL got their butt's kicked on 11/2/2010.

As far as him potentially being a bastard, your right. Although, I would say he takes no damage at all on that score as that's a non issue, in today's America.

No matter how it's looked at, the guy is clearly a massive fraud.

81 posted on 01/01/2011 4:16:28 PM PST by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: butterdezillion

thanks for all the work you’ve done on highlighting the fraud that obama is.


82 posted on 01/01/2011 4:18:39 PM PST by henry_reardon
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To: rxsid
No matter how it's looked at, the guy is clearly a massive fraud.

Yes, he is a Fraud. And he is a "post turtle". The important question is, what fool put him there?

83 posted on 01/01/2011 4:29:00 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: jamese777
Can you give me a rationale for why a Republican administration in Hawaii would lie about what is on the original birth certificate knowing that some day it might be released under a subpoena?

Yeah the ex governor has never seen the original certificate.

84 posted on 01/01/2011 4:55:30 PM PST by rolling_stone ( *this makes Watergate look like a kiddie pool*)
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To: txnuke
Wow, that was not intentional.

Well, you will forever have the distinction of posting the very last thread of the opening decade of the 21st century.

How 'bout them apples? Congrats!

85 posted on 01/01/2011 5:19:01 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: txnuke; jamese777
Your interesting vanity does provoke much thought. Indeed I had allowed my pet theory to remain dormant for over a year. I do know how much Freepers wish to discredit the President and hope this will destroy his chances should he stand again. Of course the incredible lack of information from day one has added to much of this disquiet. I have not seen anything like this, almost like the wartime epic, "The Man who Never Was."

I know I will not make myself popular by dealing with the immense distance between Hawaii and Kenya. It is 12,000 miles. Stanley Ann Dunham was caught by pregnancy, as have many other teen age girls. Somehow, I think she may not have gone to Kenya. Ok, I will concede Canada though.

I have it, but can find no official verification that 40 percent of births in Hawaii in 1961 took place other than a hospital. It was then incumbent on the mother to fill in a simple form and give to the Department of Health. There appears to be no rule compelling any personal appearance as to these facts.

If Stanley Ann made a belated entry in order to take her son overseas, she could have done this. The problem could be that because it does not have a hospital authority naming the hospital and the entry of the obstetrician, there is no real proof.

The COLB states that Barack Obama was born on August 4th 1961. The confirming entry was declared as August 8th 1961. Thus by this registered statement, a long form certificate MUST exist.

I can only surmise (that is all I am doing) that someone made a statement on the COLB which is false. A delayed entry of birth, while perfectly proper could raise a number of questions. Questions that had to be set aside to hastily rush the nomination of the now President.

Oh yes, the older Dunhams did indeed rent a small dwelling on the Kalianole highway. The number being 6085. A woman resident living nearby at the time could not remember a young student couple, one white and one black with a child at that address.

86 posted on 01/01/2011 6:57:40 PM PST by Peter Libra
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To: Peter Libra

Canada makes a lot of sense. In those days it was a big deal for an unmarried girl to be pregnant. I’m sure a lot of the girls in Washington state who found themselves pregnant ended up visiting their “aunt” in Vancouver.


87 posted on 01/01/2011 7:04:09 PM PST by ladyjane
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To: ladyjane
Canada makes a lot of sense. In those days it was a big deal for an unmarried girl to be pregnant. I'm sure a lot of the girls in Washington state who found themselves pregnant ended up visiting their "aunt" in Vancouver.

I saw the theory being attacked as to a re-entry into the USA from Canada, without documentation of said child. My own experiences living just a spit from Michigan at that time, was very easy access for regular neat looking people. Such innocent days, pre 911 and indeed much abuse by persons in the last twenty years or so. Today is is rightfully very tight indeed at our respective borders. Kids need a note from a mother when with grandparents.

88 posted on 01/01/2011 7:16:14 PM PST by Peter Libra
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To: Peter Libra

Your interesting vanity does provoke much thought. Indeed I had allowed my pet theory to remain dormant for over a year. I do know how much Freepers wish to discredit the President and hope this will destroy his chances should he stand again. Of course the incredible lack of information from day one has added to much of this disquiet. I have not seen anything like this, almost like the wartime epic, “The Man who Never Was.”
I know I will not make myself popular by dealing with the immense distance between Hawaii and Kenya. It is 12,000 miles. Stanley Ann Dunham was caught by pregnancy, as have many other teen age girls. Somehow, I think she may not have gone to Kenya. Ok, I will concede Canada though.

I have it, but can find no official verification that 40 percent of births in Hawaii in 1961 took place other than a hospital. It was then incumbent on the mother to fill in a simple form and give to the Department of Health. There appears to be no rule compelling any personal appearance as to these facts.

If Stanley Ann made a belated entry in order to take her son overseas, she could have done this. The problem could be that because it does not have a hospital authority naming the hospital and the entry of the obstetrician, there is no real proof.

The COLB states that Barack Obama was born on August 4th 1961. The confirming entry was declared as August 8th 1961. Thus by this registered statement, a long form certificate MUST exist.

I can only surmise (that is all I am doing) that someone made a statement on the COLB which is false. A delayed entry of birth, while perfectly proper could raise a number of questions. Questions that had to be set aside to hastily rush the nomination of the now President.

Oh yes, the older Dunhams did indeed rent a small dwelling on the Kalianole highway. The number being 6085. A woman resident living nearby at the time could not remember a young student couple, one white and one black with a child at that address.


My hope is that the new Governor WILL release the long form and then we’ll all know exactly what it says.
However the only Constitutionally relevant information is place of birth within the borders of the United States and date of birth. That information is on the short form.
There is a check box on the long form for “Evidence of delayed registration or alteration” and if that box was checked on the long form, that information should appear on the short form COLB as well.
Hopefully, time will tell.
But Obama’s birth documents could have been released under a subpoena, without Obama’s permission, at any time.


89 posted on 01/01/2011 7:37:35 PM PST by jamese777
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To: rolling_stone

Can you give me a rationale for why a Republican administration in Hawaii would lie about what is on the original birth certificate knowing that some day it might be released under a subpoena?
Yeah the ex governor has never seen the original certificate.


And her own appointee, the Director of Health AND the state of Hawaii’s Registrar of Vital Statistics who have seen the original lied to her, knowing that the original certificate can be released at any time by Obama or by subpoena?
Yeah, right.


90 posted on 01/01/2011 7:40:12 PM PST by jamese777
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To: jamese777
....And her own appointee, the Director of Health AND the state of Hawaii’s Registrar of Vital Statistics who have seen the original lied to her, knowing that the original certificate can be released at any time by Obama or by subpoena?
Yeah, right.......

. I don't know that anyone lied, I do know the ex Gov. Lingle misquoted the DOH press release,certainly making her statements and perceptions questionable. Where is her correction and clarification? Also who qualified Fukino to determine who is and is not an Natural Born American Citizen? Does that mean no C section or not born in test tube?

91 posted on 01/01/2011 8:19:27 PM PST by rolling_stone ( *this makes Watergate look like a kiddie pool*)
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To: Kevmo

Freepmail coming your way in a few minutes. Of course I didn’t read much of the thread yet...


92 posted on 01/01/2011 10:37:03 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: Peter Libra

In and out of Canada was no big deal 40 years ago. Kids from the US played with Canadian kids. They’d just hop over their back fence. Cars were waved through the check points. Many roads had no check points.


93 posted on 01/02/2011 7:05:28 AM PST by ladyjane
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To: jamese777
Well....Since it is soooooooo straight forward, RELEASE THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE!

A **real**American president would be **HONORED** to promptly prove with **all** the best evidence that he was, indeed, a natural born citizen ( without ever having dual loyalties) and eligible to be president and Commander in Chief.

In my opinion, the **most** damning action Obama has taken was to send a war veteran and decorated officer to prison rather than nod his head to his secretary and release **all** the best evidence that would prove or disprove his natural born citizenship. A **real** American president would never do that.

Obama is losing this in the most important court of all: The Court of Public Opinion!

94 posted on 01/02/2011 7:51:57 AM PST by wintertime (Re: Obama, Rush Limbaugh said, "He was born here." ( So? Where's the proof?))
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To: wintertime

Well....Since it is soooooooo straight forward, RELEASE THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE!
A **real**American president would be **HONORED** to promptly prove with **all** the best evidence that he was, indeed, a natural born citizen ( without ever having dual loyalties) and eligible to be president and Commander in Chief.

In my opinion, the **most** damning action Obama has taken was to send a war veteran and decorated officer to prison rather than nod his head to his secretary and release **all** the best evidence that would prove or disprove his natural born citizenship. A **real** American president would never do that.


I believe that is what the new Governor of Hawaii (and former honorary Obama Hawaii Campaign Manager) is going to do.

I would agree with you on Lieutenat Colonel Lakin, IF he had not pleaded guilty and IF his own defense attorney had not raked him over the coals in the court martial for being stupid. Lieutenant Colonel Lakin let Obama off the hook when he said: “I chose the wrong path.”
Obama’s job approval ratings have not been impacted one way or the other by Lieutenant Colonel Lakin’s conviction and imprisonment.


95 posted on 01/02/2011 9:57:59 AM PST by jamese777
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To: butterdezillion

Actually, I have been getting a heck of a lot of hits on the transcript of that Melzburg-Kuhner radio interview I typed up, so I have updated it. It now has its own post-

http://truebluenz.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/wor-radio-interview-why-obama-bc-issue-is-off-limits-for-mainstream-media/


96 posted on 01/02/2011 5:00:37 PM PST by wistful
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