The 1911 Sucks (Reasoned Argument)

yankeegunnuts.com ^ | 20 December, 2010 | GunNutmegger

[archy]

It’s a 100-year old design. It needs tools to disassemble.

It does not. Indeed, every part on a M1911 can be removed using only previously removed components as tools, the base of the sear spring being used as a screwdriver for the grip panels, for example.

One of the nice things about the Glocks is that they're equally user-maintainable.

Now watch your homework.

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What other 100-year old design is still in daily use?

The M-2 Browning for one.

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The 1891-design 7,62x54r cartridge of the Pekhotniya vintovka obr. 1891g [ Винтовка Мосина ] and Kazachya I dragunskaya vintovka, the 1891 Russian Mosin-Nagant service rifle, soldiers on in both the Russian PK machineguns and SVDM Dragonova sniper's rifles also springs immediately to mind.

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I had Custom Cartridges make me up some 110 grain .306 rounds that I use through my 03’Springfield and P-17. At 200 yards they are almost a flat trajectory. The kick is negligible. The 03’ is a wonderful rifle with excellent action...just be careful with the low serial number ones.

You ought to try the 77-grain bullet for the 7,62mm Nagant/7.63 Mauser cartridges. They're not hollowpoints, but at just a bit under 3700 fps, they don't need to be.

[archy]

I am not surprised that the 1911 is out of place in today’s world, and you shouldn’t be surprised either. What other 100-year old design is still in daily use? The Remington and Mossberg shotguns. Fine pieces of 19th century technology both.

Remington's 870 was a product-improvment versiomn of Browning's Model 31, produced from 1931 to 1949, better adapted to postwar manufacturing techniques. The Mossberg 500 design didn't appear until 1961, anthough pump shotguns in general can trace their history to Browning's models of 1893 and 1897, the Marlin 1898 and successor versions, and the Burgess Repeating Shotgun of 1896, granddaddy of them all.

[Lurker]

One could also respond that the SMLE design is indeed still in daily use. Our guys captured a bunch of taleban weaponry and prominently featured was our old friend the Lee Enfield.

There's also the classic Mauser bolt design which is to this day the standard by which modern hunting rifles are judged.

[archy]

One could also respond that the SMLE design is indeed still in daily use. Our guys captured a bunch of taleban weaponry and prominently featured was our old friend the Lee Enfield.

Mine is. With the advent of -10 weather and several inches of white stuff on the ground hereabouts, a bolt-action SMLE [actually, my son's] stands right close by my back door to greet unwanted visitors; my next-door neighbor is a grain elevator. I'd be about as happy with a good Finnish M28-30 or M39 [my previous choice for such use for the last decade or so] but the Enfield carries ten in the magazine, nine more on the buttstock cartridge carrier, and one more up the spout.

There's also the classic Mauser bolt design which is to this day the standard by which modern hunting rifles are judged.

The last time I was in Israel, while a guest at a rural kibbutz, my hosts honored me by listing me on the roster of those assigned duties as a night guard, [hashomer] with my choice of the hardware avvailable in the groups' armory. Most of those present picked M16s, their likely issue piece in the IDF, but there was a collection of other goodies available as well. Since there was no opportunity to testfire or sight in a rifle, I avoided their M1 carbines and M16s, and picked an old K98k instead. I might not have been able to hit much with it at night, but the report and muzzle flash would have made a swell wake-up call for the others, and I trusted the Mauser safety. After I'd been there a couple of days, I got the opportunity to testfire and sight in my later choice- a former WWII German MG34.

Yeah, a lot of that old hardware still soldiers on, here and there. You seen the pics of some of what the Brazilian BOPE SWAT guys are using as they try to clear out their city's slums prior to the Olympic games being held in Rio?

[archy]

Choice of buttkickers for 100 years.

Still is, for those fortunate or highly-placed few of them who have a choice.

[bmwcyle]

And you should.

[IamConservative]

And, as a single-action pistol, it is unsafe for 95% of its users to carry.

When asked if his 1911 on half cock with a rawhide strap tying down the safety was dangerous, Charlie Miller said: "Son, if the damned old thing wasn't dangerous, I wouldn't be wearing it!"

[Rifleman]

Sorry about the long delay for this reply.

Both old and new generate 60Hz AC from rotating synchronous machines driven by turbines driven by falling water or steam. The power is stepped up to transmit and down to use by large oil filled transformers wound on laminate iron cores. Local transmission lines are still wooden poles with glass or ceramic insulators.

Have there been improvements, sure, materials and monitoring and some big changes like HVDC and superconducting transmission lines and the huge complexities of the monitoring and control systems. But the broad outline of the thing is much the same. Spinning synchronous machines at one end yer toaster at the other.

Oh, BSEE/Digital Design here.

[thackney]

That is the equivalent of saying the automobile hasn’t really changed over 100 years as they still use petroleum fuel in a internal combustion engine that uses a transmission to turn the wheels.

Sure there have been improvements but it is still the same design.

[Lurker]

What on Earth is that guy at the back carrying?

[shootthehorses]

“What other 100-year old design is still in daily use?”

The Mauser 98 and all its derivatives?